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<div>Cindy,</div>
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<div>I double-checked with Dirk, and he was indeed talking about the
west restroom, furthest from the front door. But I will look
into both restrooms --- IF I can understand the ADA guidelines, which
I'm going to check into right now.</div>
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<div>Ken</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Ken,<br>
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I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion.
However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, the
grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder is in an
awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom Dirk was
talking about? The fact that he says "above the higher grab
bar also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe the
other bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm forwarding the
ADA guidelines via another e-mail.<br>
<br>
Cindy<br>
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Ken Ross wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Ken Ross needs your input</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Accessibility and Facilities
Friends,</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I received the following
request:</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"><i><b>5
December 2007 </b></i></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
face="Times New Roman"><i><b> Re: Bathroom, west,
main floor</b></i></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
face="Times New Roman"><i><b> I bought and gave to
the church 2 "grab bars for the west bathroom.
The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With
a request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made,
and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:
place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not
restrict the use of the grab bars. In the present
position, the toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm,
in the use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder
in its present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of
the grab bars.</b></i></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
face="Times New Roman"><i><b> Dirk P. Ten
Brinke</b></i></font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>The restroom in question is not the one
with the new ADA-compliant toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk
is an elderly long-time member of the church, sings in the choir, and
uses a cane/walking stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured
the only possible solution was to move the "toilet paper holder"
(TP holder) about six inches to the left of its present location.
In further communication with Dirk, he objected because</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><i><b> the holder should be well
forward of the shoulder; </b></i></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><i><b>(I don't know anyone with hands
coming out of the shoulder, as the position
of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet
paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of
function.)</b></i></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Then he gave me his proposal: move the
"toilet paper holder" to the right beyond the higher grab
bar. I checked this idea out this morning. I would be able
to reach it that far forward, but it would be a stretch. Would
some of you be able to check whether that change would make things
worse for other users?</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Ken</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>PS: I don't think this is an urgent
item. Dirk indicated that he had donated the grab bars.
When I asked him who installed them, he responded that he didn't
remember but that it "might have been before your time."
Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989.
Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair
hearing.</blockquote>
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<a href="mailto:ruthken@pacinfo.com">ruthken@pacinfo.com</a><br>
home phone: 541-686-1549<br>
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home phone: 541-686-1549<br>
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