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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FYI, Dirk donated the bars maybe six or seven years
ago--perhaps a bit more--and I installed them at that time.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=ruthken@pacinfo.com href="mailto:ruthken@pacinfo.com">Ken Ross</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:26
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Ken Ross needs your input</DIV>
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<DIV>Accessibility and Facilities Friends,</DIV>
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<DIV>I received the following request:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I><B>5 December
2007 </B></I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I><B> Re: Bathroom, west,
main floor</B></I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I><B> I bought and gave
to the church 2 "grab bars for the west bathroom. The "grab
bars" are installed. I am a user. With a request. The
Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and are being made, to the
bathrooms, so I make this request: place the toilet paper holder so that
the paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars. In
the present position, the toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the
arm, in the use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in
its present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab
bars.</B></I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I><B> Dirk P. Ten
Brinke</B></I></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant
toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member of
the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I saw no
good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to move the
"toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the left of its present
location. In further communication with Dirk, he objected because</DIV>
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<DIV><I><B> the holder should be well forward of the
shoulder; </B></I></DIV>
<DIV><I><B>(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder,
as the position of many holders seems to suggest.
Lots of toilet paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of
function.)</B></I></DIV>
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<DIV>Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the right
beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this morning.
I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would be a stretch.
Would some of you be able to check whether that change would make things worse
for other users?</DIV>
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<DIV>Ken</DIV>
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<DIV>PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that
he had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he
responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before your
time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989.
Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing.</DIV><X-SIGSEP><PRE>--
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<DIV>****************************************************<BR>Ken
Ross<BR>ruthken@pacinfo.com<BR>home phone:
541-686-1549<BR>*******************************************************</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>