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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=218241201-26112007>Ken, they haven't been approved yet so that's why they
aren't up, I'm guessing.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=218241201-26112007>j-m, with REEEEEEZING hands</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> access-bounces@uueugene.org
[mailto:access-bounces@uueugene.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Ross<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Accessibility group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th
meeting<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Folks,</DIV>
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<DIV>These are excellent minutes (aka Notes). I was just looking at our
website and I don't see any minutes there. I remind you that Martha
Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until someone specifically asked
her to.</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
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<DIV>Ken</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our
meeting, with thanks to David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me
know of any oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite" align="center"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=+1>Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite" align="center">Tuesday, November 6,
2007<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Present</U> : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert,
David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken
Ross<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin
were followed by brief check-ins.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The minutes of the previous meeting were
approved.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Liaison with Facilities Council.</U> Ken
Ross introduced himself as the liaison member with the Facilities Council
(FC) and presented a list of items the FC has completed, is in the process
of doing, or plans to do in the future in response to accessibility
concerns. Already completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level,
the installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level
bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted parking
spaces. In process is the installation of a new ADA-compliant toilet in a
one of the bathrooms on the upper level. Ken asked for further explanation
of how recessed door hinges work and said the FC would look into installing
them.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Some discussion ensued concerning the
lighting of the pathway at night and it was agreed that it is the upper part
of the path that needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a
solar light on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a
wheelchair to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van after a
service (when no curbside space is available for a van to pull into), it was
decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would meet separately to find a
solution to this problem, if possible.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Committee Proposal.</U> Cindy Pitcairn
reported that the latest version of a proposal for an Accessibility
Committee would be considered by the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting
and approval seemed likely.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Installation Ceremony.</U> Jeanne-Marie
Moore has contacted Rev. Steve Landale to ascertain that he prefers First
Christian Church for his installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted
Suzanne Whaley, head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from
our committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the
task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. Although
the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, advanced planning
and communications can alleviate most of them. A report on the visit by
Cindy Pitcairn is appended. Mary will contact Suzanne about our
concerns and suggestions.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Communications.</U> Mary Otten has
contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, concerning an access-listserv once we
are a committee and have sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn
reported she had contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web
page, to include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those
present supported having a place on the UUCE website for accessibility
information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring whether it would make sense
for it to be combined with stuff from Welcoming Congregations (Interweave),
Membership, or other committees.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><U>Interaction with Other Committees.</U> d.
maria said Nisco Junkins, Membership, would like to see people with
disabilities as greeters at Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt
strongly that the Shared Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight
Committee was an important group through which to influence the future of
the church, and that she planned to become involved
there.<BR><BR><U>Accessibility Representation at UUA</U>. David Gilmartin
and Mary Otten reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing
people with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness
Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to many
expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom Loughrey,
PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this committee to meet with us
to discuss specifically how the committee is handling issues of
accessibility as part of its new charge."</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">In view of time constraints, the remaining
agenda item of discussing committee objectives and tasks for the coming year
was postponed until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in
the sanctuary.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The meeting adjourned.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><FONT size=-1><I>Cindy Pitcairn,
scribe</I></FONT><BR><A href="mailto:lucindap@comcast.net"><FONT
size=-2>lucindap@comcast.net</FONT></A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">ADDENDUM:<U> Report on Installation Task
Force Field Trip</U>, First Christian Church, October 25,
2007<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings,
Julia Knowles, Bonnie Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The Installation service for Rev. Steve
Landale as minister of UUCE is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the
First Christian Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and
presents several challenges in regard to accessibility.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The major accessibility problem lies in
getting into the sanctuary, which is above street level. There is a wide set
of stairs facing Oak and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied.
Electric wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern
administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the top of
the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, there is a<I>
very long, narrow</I> passageway, with some turns, into the sanctuary. Signs
and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary will help.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The ramp is too steep for easy access by
manual wheelchair. Those using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with
walkers, canes, crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet,
should use the very small elevator located on the north side of the
sanctuary building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This
elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold electric
wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator should have another
person accompany them for safety's sake and moral support in case of
elevator failure.)Near the elevator there is another flight of inside
steps.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site
guides would all help people find the appropriate entrance.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated
into two areas, for the number of wheelchairs used in our congregation.
(Whether there is adequate seating for all who might attend the service is
another question.)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned
charm to it and a distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass
windows. However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our
own, perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a
narrow hall adjacent to the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible
stall. The bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two
or three at a time (still, better than the situation at
UUCE).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">There is a raised platform along one side of
the sanctuary where tea and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the
reception after the service. People can either mingle in the crowd on the
refreshment dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their refreshments, but this
would not provide a very sociable set-up for a reception. There is a large
social hall in the basement, but the only access to it will be by stairs or
the very small elevator. Those in electric wheelchairs will not be able to
attend a reception there.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">There are advantages to the use of this
church for the installation. It is in a central location in downtown Eugene.
Parking behind the church and in adjacent lots should be adequate. The
minister of the church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding religious leader in
Eugene and association of our church with his on this occasion, however
tenuous, strikes a positive note.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">However, from an accessibility point of
view, with its confusing layout, it will present distinct challenges.
Information disseminated in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements for all
doors to be unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate many of the
problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for some
attending.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>****************************************************<BR>Ken
Ross<BR>ruthken@pacinfo.com<BR>home phone:
541-686-1549<BR>*******************************************************</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>