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Ken, <br>
<br>
Thanks for the compliment, all the more meaningful as it comes from
someone who has taken more than his share of committee minutes.<br>
<br>
I'm hesitant to put the notes on the site until they are approved, as I
may well have overlooked something or attributed something to someone
that they had nothing to do with. (I deliberately called them notes
since we were not officially a committee at the time of the meeting.
Thenceforth they will be minutes.)<br>
<br>
Finally, I'd like to begin our web page with a sentence or two of our
committee's purpose, meeting schedule, etc. David Gilmartin is eager
to put some resource material and links on, so I'm hoping to work with
him to come up with a structure that we can present at our meeting on
the 4th.<br>
<br>
Ever seeking order in a chaotic life, Cindy<br>
<br>
Ken Ross wrote:
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<div>Folks,</div>
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<div>These are excellent minutes (aka Notes). I was just looking
at our website and I don't see any minutes there. I remind you
that Martha Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until
someone specifically asked her to.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ken</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Below, at last, are the "minutes"
for our meeting, with thanks to David for his notes on the last bit.
Please let me know of any oversights, mistakes, etc.
Cindy<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="" align="center"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="+1">Notes from the Accessibility Group
Meeting</font><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="" align="center">Tuesday, November 6,
2007<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Present</u> : d. maria, Leslie
Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy
Pitcairn, Ken Ross<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Candle-lighting and words by David
Gilmartin were followed by brief check-ins.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The minutes of the previous meeting
were
approved.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Liaison with Facilities Council.</u>
Ken Ross introduced himself as the liaison member with the Facilities
Council (FC) and presented a list of items the FC has completed, is in
the process of doing, or plans to do in the future in response to
accessibility concerns. Already completed are the new concrete pathway
to the lower level, the installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one
of the lower level bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and
two new restricted parking spaces. In process is the installation of a
new ADA-compliant toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level.
Ken asked for further explanation of how recessed door hinges work and
said the FC would look into installing them.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Some discussion ensued concerning the
lighting of the pathway at night and it was agreed that it is the
upper part of the path that needs lights. The FC will look into the
possibility of a solar light on a post. After discussing ways to make
it possible for a wheelchair to gain access to the parking lot for
loading onto a van after a service (when no curbside space is
available for a van to pull into), it was decided that Leslie Gilbert
and Ken Ross would meet separately to find a solution to this problem,
if possible.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Committee Proposal.</u> Cindy
Pitcairn
reported that the latest version of a proposal for an Accessibility
Committee would be considered by the UUCE Board at its November 8th
meeting and approval seemed likely.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Installation Ceremony.</u>
Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve Landale to ascertain that
he prefers First Christian Church for his installation ceremony, and
Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, head of the Installation Task
Force, concerning input from our committee. As a result, Leslie
Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the task force on October 25th for a
tour of First Christian Church. Although the church presents a variety
of accessibility challenges, advanced planning and communications can
alleviate most of them. A report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is
appended. Mary will contact Suzanne about our concerns and
suggestions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Communications.</u> Mary Otten has
contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, concerning an access-listserv
once we are a committee and have sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy
Pitcairn reported she had contacted Martha on the establishment of a
committee web page, to include accessibility tips and other
educational material. Those present supported having a place on the
UUCE website for accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested
exploring whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff
from Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other
committees.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><u>Interaction with Other Committees.</u>
d. maria said Nisco Junkins, Membership, would like to see people with
disabilities as greeters at Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt
strongly that the Shared Values Task Force of the Building Project
Oversight Committee was an important group through which to influence
the future of the church, and that she planned to become involved
there.<br>
<br>
<u>Accessibility Representation at UUA</u>. David Gilmartin and
Mary
Otten reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing
people with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness
Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to
many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom
Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this
committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee is
handling issues of accessibility as part of its new
charge."</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">In view of time constraints, the
remaining agenda item of discussing committee objectives and tasks for
the coming year was postponed until the next meeting, Tuesday,
December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the sanctuary.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The meeting adjourned.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><font size="-1"><i>Cindy Pitcairn,
scribe</i></font><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lucindap@comcast.net"><font
size="-2">lucindap@comcast.net</font></a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite=""><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">ADDENDUM:<u> Report on Installation
Task
Force Field Trip</u>, First Christian Church, October 25, 2007<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel
Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy
Pitcairn<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The Installation service for Rev.
Steve
Landale as minister of UUCE is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008
at the First Christian Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an
older church and presents several challenges in regard to
accessibility.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The major accessibility problem lies
in
getting into the sanctuary, which is above street level. There is a
wide set of stairs facing Oak and leading into the sanctuary for the
able-bodied. Electric wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the
more modern administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The
door at the top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this
building, there is a<i> very long, narrow</i> passageway, with some
turns, into the sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the
sanctuary will help.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The ramp is too steep for easy access
by
manual wheelchair. Those using manual wheelchairs, as well as those
with walkers, canes, crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on
their feet, should use the very small elevator located on the north
side of the sanctuary building. The door to this entrance will need to
be unlocked. This elevator holds no more than three standing people.
It will not hold electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using
the elevator should have another person accompany them for safety's
sake and moral support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator
there is another flight of inside steps.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Maps, signs, advance publicity, and
on-site guides would all help people find the appropriate
entrance.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The sanctuary has adequate space,
segregated into two areas, for the number of wheelchairs used in our
congregation. (Whether there is adequate seating for all who might
attend the service is another question.)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">The sanctuary has a certain
old-fashioned
charm to it and a distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained
glass windows. However, it also has a large peace flag and with
emblems of our own, perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">Men's and women's bathrooms are
located
in a narrow hall adjacent to the sanctuary. They each have a
handicap-accessible stall. The bathrooms are small and probably can
accomodate no more than two or three at a time (still, better than the
situation at UUCE).<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="">There is a raised platform along one
side
of the sanctuary where tea and coffee and hand-held food can be served
for the reception after the service. People can either mingle in the
crowd on the refreshment dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their
refreshments, but this would not provide a very sociable set-up for a
reception. There is a large social hall in the basement, but the only
access to it will be by stairs or the very small elevator. Those in
electric wheelchairs will not be able to attend a reception there.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">There are advantages to the use of
this
church for the installation. It is in a central location in downtown
Eugene. Parking behind the church and in adjacent lots should be
adequate. The minister of the church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding
religious leader in Eugene and association of our church with his on
this occasion, however tenuous, strikes a positive note.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="">However, from an accessibility point
of
view, with its confusing layout, it will present distinct challenges.
Information disseminated in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements
for all doors to be unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate
many of the problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for
some attending.<br>
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home phone: 541-686-1549<br>
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