[Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting

[d. maria]

I think a particular committee might be in (or send a rep. to) more 
than one cluster.  I think as Accessibility grows and matures... it 
seems this year we are devoted to tieing up the loose ends, grab bars, 
ramps, lighting, door handles, mission statements, check lists, etc. We 
are getting our feet wet, finding our collective voice and where we fit 
into the ministry at UUCE.  I agree we belong in Social Justice... And, 
we are part of the ministry we all do for one another as a community... 
and we are more than that... We are educating ourselves about each 
other, and educating the congregation about inclusion, and we could 
extend that process into the wider community... Who knows where this 
could take us...  dm
On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:08 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote:

> I agree with Cindy... I have resistance to being ministerial... 
> disability is political political political.
> j-m.
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>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org 
>> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:28 PM
>> To: Accessibility group
>> Subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting
>>
>> David Gilmartin wrote:CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at 
>> our last meeting, for
>>> this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with
>>> accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and
>>> congregational life. This may be true for the coming months, but our 
>>> goals, as outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to 
>>> some degree. Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from 
>>> our last meeting that we had done all the work planning for this 
>>> year or next.
>>> As far as the cluster descriptions go (from
>>> January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with
>>> "Ministerial" than "Social Justice."I think we need better 
>>> definitions of these two terms, something that will no doubt be 
>>> deliberated upon by the clusters task force.
>>>  Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something 
>>> in and for the wider world. It does to me, too, but one could argue 
>>> that making our church more accessible in both the literal and 
>>> figurative sense is also practicing social justice.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:i attended that 
>>> meeting this morning, as did Mariah.   There is definite interest in 
>>> our check-list, including some specific numbers
>>> that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was
>>> mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site
>>> visits
>>> is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it 
>>> would
>>> be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers,
>>> e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row
>>> spacing etc.  Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard
>>> to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set
>>> things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move
>>> around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of
>>> the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get
>>> together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect 
>>> of
>>> things specifically as they relate to this event.  There is also
>>> interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list
>>> about
>>> how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an
>>> accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal
>>> with directly.
>>>
>>> At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters
>>> idea,
>>> and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster.
>>> further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a
>>> subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work.  I can't
>>> recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this
>>> list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if
>>> anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the 
>>> members
>>> of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the
>>> folks is Sarah Hendrickson.
>>>
>>> We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a
>>> meeting
>>> at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we
>>> discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to
>>> dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings 
>>> where
>>> anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that
>>> off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with
>>> accessibility
>>> in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I
>>> hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we
>>> recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open
>>> meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have 
>>> off
>>> site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential
>>> that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best
>>> effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an
>>> answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended.
>>>
>>> If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related
>>> CC topics, please feel free to speak up.
>>>
>>> mary
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