From lucindap at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 22:29:51 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:29:51 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday Message-ID: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080106/e8b92dc0/attachment.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 23:35:56 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:35:56 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday In-Reply-To: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> References: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> I'll describe to you the formatting I see in this agenda, since who knows if you will receive it back as I received it or as you sent it. "Tentative Agenda" and date are centered. Everything from "Candle-lighting" to "Liaison Reports" is all the way to the left. "Break" is centered. "New Business" is all the way to the left. "Budget Discussion" and "Brainstorming" are indented (one tab?) "Volunteer" and "Adjournment" are all the way to the left. David On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Our first meeting of the new year is coming up this Tuesday, January > 8th, at 7 pm in the UUCE sanctuary. We hope to have a good > attendance. If you've been thinking of joining us, please know you > will be very welcome. We have some interesting ideas to pursue and > can use all the help we can get! > > Cindy > Tentative Agenda > January 8, 2008 > > Candle-lighting and Reading (5 minutes) - Leslie > > Brief Check-ins (5 minutes) > > Agenda and Time/Item Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes) > > OLD BUSINESS > > Accessibility Check List: Next Steps - David (20 minutes) > > Update on Potluck Fun Activity, Taboo with a Disability Twist - > Leslie (10 minutes) > > Liaison Reports - maria, SJ; David, CC; Mary, Membership (15 minutes) > > * * * Break (5 > minutes) * * * > > NEW BUSINESS > > Budget Discussion - David (20 minutes) > > Brainstorming: Other Activities; Expanding our outreach (15 > minutes) > > Volunteer for short reading at next meeting; Next meeting > date(February 5th); Brief check-outs > > Adjournment at 8:45 pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080106/78830eec/attachment.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Jan 6 23:53:51 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:53:51 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday In-Reply-To: <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> References: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> Message-ID: <32AA1169-D61D-4B48-B113-0B37CA4816FB@comcast.net> Whoops!! Didn't mean to send this formatting information to everybody. Sorry. David On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: > I'll describe to you the formatting I see in this agenda, since who > knows if you will receive it back as I received it or as you sent it. > > "Tentative Agenda" and date are centered. > > Everything from "Candle-lighting" to "Liaison Reports" is all the > way to the left. > > "Break" is centered. > > "New Business" is all the way to the left. > > "Budget Discussion" and "Brainstorming" are indented (one tab?) > > "Volunteer" and "Adjournment" are all the way to the left. > > > David > > > On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > >> Our first meeting of the new year is coming up this Tuesday, >> January 8th, at 7 pm in the UUCE sanctuary. We hope to have a good >> attendance. If you've been thinking of joining us, please know you >> will be very welcome. We have some interesting ideas to pursue and >> can use all the help we can get! >> >> Cindy >> Tentative Agenda >> January 8, 2008 >> >> Candle-lighting and Reading (5 minutes) - Leslie >> >> Brief Check-ins (5 minutes) >> >> Agenda and Time/Item Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes) >> >> OLD BUSINESS >> >> Accessibility Check List: Next Steps - David (20 minutes) >> >> Update on Potluck Fun Activity, Taboo with a Disability Twist - >> Leslie (10 minutes) >> >> Liaison Reports - maria, SJ; David, CC; Mary, Membership (15 minutes) >> >> * * * Break (5 >> minutes) * * * >> >> NEW BUSINESS >> >> Budget Discussion - David (20 minutes) >> >> Brainstorming: Other Activities; Expanding our outreach (15 >> minutes) >> >> Volunteer for short reading at next meeting; Next meeting >> date(February 5th); Brief check-outs >> >> Adjournment at 8:45 pm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080106/f358769a/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 23:10:50 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:10:50 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday In-Reply-To: <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> References: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012f01c851b4$f2dd6d60$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi all, I can do the meeting's reading in February. And Leslie, don't plan too much of the game night without me! Blessings and a smile, j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:36 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday I'll describe to you the formatting I see in this agenda, since who knows if you will receive it back as I received it or as you sent it. "Tentative Agenda" and date are centered. Everything from "Candle-lighting" to "Liaison Reports" is all the way to the left. "Break" is centered. "New Business" is all the way to the left. "Budget Discussion" and "Brainstorming" are indented (one tab?) "Volunteer" and "Adjournment" are all the way to the left. David On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: Our first meeting of the new year is coming up this Tuesday, January 8th, at 7 pm in the UUCE sanctuary. We hope to have a good attendance. If you've been thinking of joining us, please know you will be very welcome. We have some interesting ideas to pursue and can use all the help we can get! Cindy Tentative Agenda January 8, 2008 Candle-lighting and Reading (5 minutes) - Leslie Brief Check-ins (5 minutes) Agenda and Time/Item Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes) OLD BUSINESS Accessibility Check List: Next Steps - David (20 minutes) Update on Potluck Fun Activity, Taboo with a Disability Twist - Leslie (10 minutes) Liaison Reports - maria, SJ; David, CC; Mary, Membership (15 minutes) * * * Break (5 minutes) * * * NEW BUSINESS Budget Discussion - David (20 minutes) Brainstorming: Other Activities; Expanding our outreach (15 minutes) Volunteer for short reading at next meeting; Next meeting date(February 5th); Brief check-outs Adjournment at 8:45 pm _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080107/5ac8e4ec/attachment.html From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Mon Jan 7 23:28:27 2008 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:28:27 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday In-Reply-To: <012f01c851b4$f2dd6d60$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <4781AABF.7030309@comcast.net> <3D430B22-B43D-4F78-9557-9F8777FE0347@comcast.net> <012f01c851b4$f2dd6d60$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: I havent done squat yet for the game night. J-M and I will get together and get working soon. From: algaelady at gmail.comTo: access at uueugene.orgDate: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:10:50 -0800Subject: Re: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday Hi all, I can do the meeting's reading in February. And Leslie, don't plan too much of the game night without me! Blessings and a smile, j-m. From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David GilmartinSent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:36 PMTo: Accessibility groupSubject: Re: [Access] Agenda for Meeting Next Tuesday I'll describe to you the formatting I see in this agenda, since who knows if you will receive it back as I received it or as you sent it. "Tentative Agenda" and date are centered. Everything from "Candle-lighting" to "Liaison Reports" is all the way to the left. "Break" is centered. "New Business" is all the way to the left. "Budget Discussion" and "Brainstorming" are indented (one tab?) "Volunteer" and "Adjournment" are all the way to the left. David On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: Our first meeting of the new year is coming up this Tuesday, January 8th, at 7 pm in the UUCE sanctuary. We hope to have a good attendance. If you've been thinking of joining us, please know you will be very welcome. We have some interesting ideas to pursue and can use all the help we can get!Cindy Tentative Agenda January 8, 2008 Candle-lighting and Reading (5 minutes) - Leslie Brief Check-ins (5 minutes)Agenda and Time/Item Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes)OLD BUSINESSAccessibility Check List: Next Steps - David (20 minutes)Update on Potluck Fun Activity, Taboo with a Disability Twist - Leslie (10 minutes)Liaison Reports - maria, SJ; David, CC; Mary, Membership (15 minutes) * * * Break (5 minutes) * * *NEW BUSINESS Budget Discussion - David (20 minutes) Brainstorming: Other Activities; Expanding our outreach (15 minutes) Volunteer for short reading at next meeting; Next meeting date(February 5th); Brief check-outs Adjournment at 8:45 pm _______________________________________________Access mailing listAccess at uueugene.orghttp://www.uueugene.orghttp://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080107/4e20eb9b/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 00:13:26 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Access] Allergies lead churches to new practices Message-ID: <47831486.1070105@comcast.net> This article also appeared in the Eugene Register-Guard: http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-te.to.allergy06jan06,0,6505592.story Since we don't have communion wafers, maybe we should try harder to have the contents of our potluck dishes labeled? Cindy From maryotten at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 00:32:45 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:32:45 -0800 Subject: [Access] Allergies lead churches to new practices In-Reply-To: <47831486.1070105@comcast.net> Message-ID: There was quite a discussion over on Chat a while back on this topic. The question is, how far do we ask individuals to go? And indeed, how far can they go, if they purchase something for the potluck rather than making it themselves from absolute scratch? The big stuff is easy, e.g. does it have meat in it or not? But glutin is a lot harder. Mary From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 06:09:41 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 04:09:41 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility resources Message-ID: <604F93CA-8A6F-4819-9F4B-FF00D110211E@comcast.net> I've been unable to sleep this evening, and, in this quiet time I've been thinking about accessibility stuff: 1. I've drafted a committee budget for the 2008-09 church year, which I will present for discussion at our committee meeting this evening in the sanctuary. Hope to see you then! 2. One thing we began discussing at an earlier meeting was how to make our religious education program for children more accessible. I'm sure there are curricula and other resources around, so I have been doing a bit of Googling. Here's a couple resources we might individually or collectively avail ourselves of: Welcoming Children with Special Needs: A Guidebook for Faith Communities Author: Sally Patton Publisher: UUA An empowering resource for accepting special needs children into congregations. Includes information on common physical, mental and emotional disabilities and disorders, plus teacher training guidelines and strategies for inclusion. Price: $18.00 Quantity discounts available. uua.org/bookstore Religion and Disability Program E-Newsletter, sent quarterly, a source of valuable resources and information for those working to include children and adults with disabilities in their religious communities. Free. Sign up to receive at the website for the National Organization on Disability: http://www.nod.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showPattonFeature&FeatureID=1686 Enrollment in the Accessible Congregations Campaign, a campaign that seeks to partner with congregations of all faiths who commit to identifying and removing their barriers and welcoming people with all types of disabilities. Free. Information and applications available from the National Organization on Disability: http://www.nod.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showFeature&FeatureID=1326 3. I'm also trying to track down information on a curriculum and/or other materials developed by a UU church in Massachusetts to make RE programs more accessible for children with developmental disabilities. No details available yet. I'm hoping this one did not just sink without a trace!! 4. Article titled, "Allergies lead churches to new practices," from the Baltimore Sun, and reprinted in the Register-Guard according to Cindy. It can be read at: http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-te.to.allergy06jan06,0,6505592.story And that got me wondering if we can get permission to include it in our website accessibility pages. David Gilmartin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080108/ddad8126/attachment-0001.html From maryotten at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 09:49:40 2008 From: maryotten at comcast.net (mary otten) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:49:40 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility resources In-Reply-To: <604F93CA-8A6F-4819-9F4B-FF00D110211E@comcast.net> References: <604F93CA-8A6F-4819-9F4B-FF00D110211E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080108154940.maryotten@comcast.net> david, sorry you are having problems sleeping, but you certainly put your insomnia time to good use. seems like that book you mentioned from uua would be something to speak with candee and or the re committee about. ary ----- source message ----- from: David Gilmartin to: Accessibility group date: 2008/01/08 12:10:08 subject: [Access] Accessibility resources > > > > > I've been unable to sleep this evening, and, in this quiet time I've been thinking about accessibility stuff: > > > 1. I've drafted a committee budget for the 2008-09 church year, which I will present for discussion at our committee meeting this evening in the sanctuary. Hope to see you then! > > > 2. One thing we began discussing at an earlier meeting was how to make our religious education program for children more accessible. I'm sure there are curricula and other resources around, so I have been doing a bit of Googling. Here's a couple resources we might individually or collectively avail ourselves of: > > > Welcoming Children with Special Needs: A Guidebook for Faith Communities > Author: Sally Patton > Publisher: UUA > An empowering resource for accepting special needs children into congregations. Includes information on common physical, mental and emotional disabilities and disorders, plus teacher training guidelines and strategies for inclusion. > Price: $18.00 Quantity discounts available. > uua.org/bookstore > > > Religion and Disability Program E-Newsletter, sent quarterly, a source of valuable resources and information for those working to include children and adults with disabilities in their religious communities. Free. Sign up to receive at the website for the National Organization on Disability: > http://www.nod.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showPattonFeature&FeatureID=1686 > > > Enrollment in the Accessible Congregations Campaign, a campaign that seeks to partner with congregations of all faiths who commit to identifying and removing their barriers and welcoming people with all types of disabilities. Free. Information and applications available from the National Organization on Disability: > http://www.nod.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showFeature&FeatureID=1326 > > > 3. I'm also trying to track down information on a curriculum and/or other materials developed by a UU church in Massachusetts to make RE programs more accessible for children with developmental disabilities. No details available yet. I'm hoping this one did not just sink without a trace!! > > > 4. Article titled, "Allergies lead churches to new practices," from the Baltimore Sun, and reprinted in the Register-Guard according to Cindy. It can be read at: > http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-te.to.allergy06jan06,0,6505592.story > And that got me wondering if we can get permission to include it in our website accessibility pages. > > > David Gilmartin > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 11:09:47 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change Message-ID: Hi folks, I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is available from now through the end of the church year? Mary From lucindap at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 13:43:30 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:43:30 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? Cindy Mary Otten wrote: > Hi folks, > I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary > is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February > 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the > sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent > change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is > available from now through the end of the church year? > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From algaelady at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:20:26 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:20:26 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> References: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001c01c852fd$1296dee0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi all, I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year because of the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because of our meeting... So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? Cindy Mary Otten wrote: > Hi folks, > I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary > is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February > 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the > sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent > change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is > available from now through the end of the church year? > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Wed Jan 9 15:10:05 2008 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:10:05 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> References: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> Message-ID: The second Tuesday should be fine for me most of the time. > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:43:30 -0800> From: lucindap at comcast.net> To: access at uueugene.org> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change> > Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? Cindy> > Mary Otten wrote:> > Hi folks,> > I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary> > is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February> > 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the> > sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent> > change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is> > available from now through the end of the church year? > > Mary> >> > _______________________________________________> > Access mailing list> > Access at uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080109/d9cda839/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Wed Jan 9 15:26:17 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <001c01c852fd$1296dee0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <478523E2.8000900@comcast.net> <001c01c852fd$1296dee0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <1ba6144191969169ebcc384c5b342276@efn.org> My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is there a problem with that? dm On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > Hi all, > > I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year > because of > the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because > of our > meeting... > So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. > > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] > On > Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM > To: Accessibility group > Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change > > Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? > Cindy > > Mary Otten wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary >> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February >> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent >> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is >> available from now through the end of the church year? >> Mary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 17:28:22 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:28:22 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <1ba6144191969169ebcc384c5b342276@efn.org> Message-ID: Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at 7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year. mary On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote: >My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is >there a problem with that? dm >On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year >> because of >> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because >> of our >> meeting... >> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. >> >> j-m. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM >> To: Accessibility group >> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change >> >> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? >> Cindy >> >> Mary Otten wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary >>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February >>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent >>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is >>> available from now through the end of the church year? >>> Mary >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > >__________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > From mariah at efn.org Wed Jan 9 18:15:34 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:15:34 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73e5dd8dc27affc9871bd8a3a933685d@efn.org> ... but February will be on the 2nd Tue? On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time > crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out > at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at > 7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings > will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year. > > mary > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote: > >> My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is >> there a problem with that? dm >> On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year >>> because of >>> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because >>> of our >>> meeting... >>> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. >>> >>> j-m. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org >>> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM >>> To: Accessibility group >>> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change >>> >>> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? >>> Cindy >>> >>> Mary Otten wrote: >>>> Hi folks, >>>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the >>>> sanctuary >>>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, >>>> February >>>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >>>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a >>>> permanent >>>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is >>>> available from now through the end of the church year? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Access mailing list >>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> __________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 19:06:21 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:06:21 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <73e5dd8dc27affc9871bd8a3a933685d@efn.org> Message-ID: Yes February is on the 2nd Tuesday, wich is the 12th, at 7:00. Mary From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 19:18:31 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:18:31 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D63AE70-2E52-45B8-8930-8AB1A500D98F@comcast.net> Moving meetings to the second Tuesday each month is fine with me. David G. On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi folks, > I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary > is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February > 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the > sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent > change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is > available from now through the end of the church year? > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From ruthken at pacinfo.com Thu Jan 10 19:51:26 2008 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:51:26 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, Ruth and I got back from a math meeting (jealous?) in San Diego (jealous?) this afternoon. First Tuesdays are preferable for me, because the Facilities Council meets on first Tuesdays at 5:30. But it appears, from below, that first Tuesdays will be back after our February 12 hiatus. Ken >Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time >crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out >at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at >7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings >will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year. > >mary > >On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote: > >>My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is >>there a problem with that? dm >>On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year >>> because of >>> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because >>> of our >>> meeting... >>> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. >>> >>> j-m. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM >>> To: Accessibility group >>> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change >>> >>> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? >>> Cindy >>> >>> Mary Otten wrote: >>>> Hi folks, >>>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary >>>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February >>>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >>>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent >>>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is >>>> available from now through the end of the church year? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Access mailing list >>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Access mailing list >>Access at uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >>__________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From algaelady at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:05:00 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:05:00 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006901c853fe$c1b9b170$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Tough it out, baby, that's what you get for missing the meeting, and for being in a congregation that allows pagans to use the sanctuary! j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ross Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:51 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change Folks, Ruth and I got back from a math meeting (jealous?) in San Diego (jealous?) this afternoon. First Tuesdays are preferable for me, because the Facilities Council meets on first Tuesdays at 5:30. But it appears, from below, that first Tuesdays will be back after our February 12 hiatus. Ken >Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time >crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out >at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at >7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings >will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year. > >mary > >On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote: > >>My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is >>there a problem with that? dm >>On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year >>> because of >>> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear because >>> of our >>> meeting... >>> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. >>> >>> j-m. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM >>> To: Accessibility group >>> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change >>> >>> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? >>> Cindy >>> >>> Mary Otten wrote: >>>> Hi folks, >>>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the sanctuary >>>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, February >>>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >>>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a permanent >>>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary is >>>> available from now through the end of the church year? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Access mailing list >>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Access mailing list >>Access at uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >>__________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Fri Jan 11 02:43:20 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:43:20 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <006901c853fe$c1b9b170$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <006901c853fe$c1b9b170$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: So, you want a piece o' me? You get a free shot. After Wom'nSpirit met tonight to plan this ritual, we realized the 7th (Thursday) that week would work much better. It is not necessary to change the Access meeting after-all if you don't want to... though I think changing it made it possible for Leslie to be there. I'm now able to come on 5th, but not on the 12th. Go ahead, shoot me, I deserve it. blessed be, maria On Jan 10, 2008, at 7:05 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > Tough it out, baby, that's what you get for missing the meeting, and > for > being in a congregation that allows pagans to use the sanctuary! > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] > On > Behalf Of Ken Ross > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:51 PM > To: Accessibility group > Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change > > Folks, > > Ruth and I got back from a math meeting (jealous?) in San Diego > (jealous?) this afternoon. First Tuesdays are preferable for me, > because > the Facilities Council meets on first Tuesdays at 5:30. But it > appears, > from below, that first Tuesdays will be back after our February 12 > hiatus. > > Ken > >> Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time >> crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out >> at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at >> 7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings >> will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year. >> >> mary >> >> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote: >> >>> My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is >>> there a problem with that? dm >>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year >>>> because of >>>> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear >>>> because >>>> of our >>>> meeting... >>>> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not. >>>> >>>> j-m. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org >>>> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM >>>> To: Accessibility group >>>> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change >>>> >>>> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M? >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> Mary Otten wrote: >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the >>>>> sanctuary >>>>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, >>>>> February >>>>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the >>>>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a >>>>> permanent >>>>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary >>>>> is >>>>> available from now through the end of the church year? >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Access mailing list >>>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Access mailing list >>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Access mailing list >>>> Access at uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > -- > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone: 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Fri Jan 11 17:56:01 2008 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:56:01 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: <006901c853fe$c1b9b170$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: It's true I can attend the 12th but not the 5th, but please don't feel you have to change things just for me. > From: mariah at efn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:43:20 -0800> To: access at uueugene.org; algaelady at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change> > So, you want a piece o' me? You get a free shot. After Wom'nSpirit > met tonight to plan this ritual, we realized the 7th (Thursday) that > week would work much better. It is not necessary to change the Access > meeting after-all if you don't want to... though I think changing it > made it possible for Leslie to be there. I'm now able to come on 5th, > but not on the 12th. Go ahead, shoot me, I deserve it. blessed be, > maria> On Jan 10, 2008, at 7:05 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote:> > > Tough it out, baby, that's what you get for missing the meeting, and > > for> > being in a congregation that allows pagans to use the sanctuary!> > j-m.> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] > > On> > Behalf Of Ken Ross> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:51 PM> > To: Accessibility group> > Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change> >> > Folks,> >> > Ruth and I got back from a math meeting (jealous?) in San Diego> > (jealous?) this afternoon. First Tuesdays are preferable for me, > > because> > the Facilities Council meets on first Tuesdays at 5:30. But it > > appears,> > from below, that first Tuesdays will be back after our February 12 > > hiatus.> >> > Ken> >> >> Wel, had the 2nd Tuesday been workable, it would have solved my time> >> crunch problem involving getting from a downtown meeting that lets out> >> at 6:45 if its on time (it isn't always) to our meting at church at> >> 7:00. But 2 of us can't make that night, so after february, metings> >> will be on the 1st tuesday for the remainder of the church year.> >>> >> mary> >>> >> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:26:17 -0800, d. maria wrote:> >>> >>> My preference would be to return to 1st Tuesday after February... is> >>> there a problem with that? dm> >>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote:> >>>> >>>> Hi all,> >>>>> >>>> I am not sure about the second Tuesday for the rest of the year> >>>> because of> >>>> the Willamette Street thing... I kept the first Tuesday clear > >>>> because> >>>> of our> >>>> meeting...> >>>> So Feb okay, March, not I think. April not.> >>>>> >>>> j-m.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----> >>>> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org > >>>> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org]> >>>> On> >>>> Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:44 AM> >>>> To: Accessibility group> >>>> Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change> >>>>> >>>> Mary, The 2nd Tuesday is fine with me. Have you checked with J-M?> >>>> Cindy> >>>>> >>>> Mary Otten wrote:> >>>>> Hi folks,> >>>>> I spoke with Kim at church just now, and it happens that the > >>>>> sanctuary> >>>>> is available for our meting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, > >>>>> February> >>>>> 12. So we are now scheduled to meet at 7:00 on that night in the> >>>>> sanctuary. On a related note, how would people feel about a > >>>>> permanent> >>>>> change for our meetings from 1st to 2nd Tuesday, if the sanctuary > >>>>> is> >>>>> available from now through the end of the church year?> >>>>> Mary> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________> >>>>> Access mailing list> >>>>> Access at uueugene.org> >>>>> http://www.uueugene.org> >>>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________> >>>> Access mailing list> >>>> Access at uueugene.org> >>>> http://www.uueugene.org> >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________> >>>> Access mailing list> >>>> Access at uueugene.org> >>>> http://www.uueugene.org> >>>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________> >>> Access mailing list> >>> Access at uueugene.org> >>> http://www.uueugene.org> >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >>>> >>> __________ NOD32 2779 (20080109) Information __________> >>>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.> >>> http://www.eset.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> Access mailing list> >> Access at uueugene.org> >> http://www.uueugene.org> >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >> >> > -- > > ****************************************************> > Ken Ross> > ruthken at pacinfo.com> > home phone: 541-686-1549> > *******************************************************> > _______________________________________________> > Access mailing list> > Access at uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >> > _______________________________________________> > Access mailing list> > Access at uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >> > _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080111/7847a89f/attachment.html From maryotten at earthlink.net Fri Jan 11 22:40:45 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:40:45 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I did change the date for the next meeting to the 12th. and then last night I discovered that I will almost certainly be starting a class which is meting on Tuesdays for several weeks running, starting February 12. this is hnot really an optional class, as its tied to the police commisssion that I insanely volunteered for last fall. So, if I remember, I will call Kim on Monday ans see if I can change us back to the 5th, unless I hear from others that they can't make it. As I understand it, Mariah and I can't make the 12th, and Leslie can't make the 5th. If others can't make the 5th, please speak up before Monday. Leslie, if we do end up back on the 5th, please feel free to pass on to any one of us, and/or post to the listserv anything you find out regarding the RE stuff we talked about at the last meeting. Mary From algaelady at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 22:47:29 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:47:29 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a601c854d6$3d67b380$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi Mary, What about just sending Kim an e-mail right now and she'll get back to you? j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:41 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] February meting date change Well, I did change the date for the next meeting to the 12th. and then last night I discovered that I will almost certainly be starting a class which is meting on Tuesdays for several weeks running, starting February 12. this is hnot really an optional class, as its tied to the police commisssion that I insanely volunteered for last fall. So, if I remember, I will call Kim on Monday ans see if I can change us back to the 5th, unless I hear from others that they can't make it. As I understand it, Mariah and I can't make the 12th, and Leslie can't make the 5th. If others can't make the 5th, please speak up before Monday. Leslie, if we do end up back on the 5th, please feel free to pass on to any one of us, and/or post to the listserv anything you find out regarding the RE stuff we talked about at the last meeting. Mary _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 13:06:15 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:06:15 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47890FA7.9000800@comcast.net> Although our committee is still very young and small in numbers, I think it best just to stick with the meeting time we originally settled on, the first Tuesday of the month (except when it conflicts with a major holiday like New Year's Day). We all have busy lives and many commitments and it's likely that from time to time, one or two of us will not be able to be there. Cindy PS Mary, I think the Police Commission is very lucky the you did volunteer. Mary Otten wrote: > Well, I did change the date for the next meeting to the 12th. and then > last night I discovered that I will almost certainly be starting a > class which is meting on Tuesdays for several weeks running, starting > February 12. this is hnot really an optional class, as its tied to the > police commisssion that I insanely volunteered for last fall. So, if I > remember, I will call Kim on Monday ans see if I can change us back to > the 5th, unless I hear from others that they can't make it. As I > understand it, Mariah and I can't make the 12th, and Leslie can't make > the 5th. If others can't make the 5th, please speak up before Monday. > > Leslie, if we do end up back on the 5th, please feel free to pass on to > any one of us, and/or post to the listserv anything you find out > regarding the RE stuff we talked about at the last meeting. > > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From maryotten at earthlink.net Sat Jan 12 14:20:59 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting date change In-Reply-To: <47890FA7.9000800@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the kind words, cindy. as for the date, as noted in an earlier post, I'm going to try to change it back to the 5th, as there is no longer a conflict for the use of the sanctuary. Mary From maryotten at earthlink.net Sat Jan 12 14:39:19 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:39:19 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi folks, i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site visits is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list about how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal with directly. At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters idea, and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the folks is Sarah Hendrickson. We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a meeting at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with accessibility in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related CC topics, please feel free to speak up. mary From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 15:18:21 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:18:21 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47892E9D.8090003@comcast.net> Mary, Thanks so much for your notes. I'm glad you were able to get there. I'll get in touch with Sue about the auction set-up when I get a chance. It won't be hard to give her ADA numbers--much harder just to get out from under the tasks at hand! Cindy Mary Otten wrote: > Hi folks, > i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is > definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers > that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was > mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site visits > is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would > be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, > e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row > spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard > to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set > things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move > around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of > the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get > together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of > things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also > interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list about > how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an > accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal > with directly. > > At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters idea, > and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. > further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a > subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't > recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this > list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if > anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members > of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the > folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > > We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a meeting > at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we > discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to > dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where > anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that > off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with accessibility > in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I > hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we > recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open > meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off > site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential > that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best > effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an > answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > > If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related > CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > > mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sat Jan 12 16:03:16 2008 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:03:16 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, Mary's summary of the portions of the Coordinating Council meeting, relevant to us Accessibility folks, is very good. If, as I write up the CC minutes, I notice other items of possible interest, I'll let you know. Meanwhile, I'll mention that the subcommittee/task force on clusters consists of Sarah Hendrickson, Reverend Steve, Pat Hendricks, Ann Fuller and me. So, by golly, you've got a little Accessibility representation on it. Cheers, Ken >Hi folks, >i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is >definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers >that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was >mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site visits >is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would >be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, >e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row >spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard >to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set >things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move >around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of >the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get >together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of >things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also >interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list about >how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an >accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal >with directly. > >At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters idea, >and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. >further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a >subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't >recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this >list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if >anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members >of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the >folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > >We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a meeting >at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we >discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to >dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where >anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that >off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with accessibility >in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I >hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we >recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open >meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off >site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential >that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best >effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an >answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > >If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related >CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > >mary > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 16:23:59 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very helpful summary, Mary. SERVICE AUCTION ACCESSIBILITY: I think the main thing is aisle widths, and the next is table positioning. ADA Guidelines will have aisle width information. What I am thinking of when I refer to table positioning is not to have two long tables pushed together into a long and wide display surface. The reason is that, for some, that combined width would be too far to reach across to grasp an item, from the aisle. CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for this year and next, it seeded to me that our goals had to do with accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and congregational life. As far as the cluster descriptions go (from January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something in and for the wider world. Closely related, I've been working to find a better name for the "Program" category. "Creating Meaningfulness"? MEETINGS ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE: Mary, I think your paragraph description is brilliantly clear and concise. I think it belongs up there on the accessibility web pages! David G. On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi folks, > i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is > definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers > that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was > mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site > visits > is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would > be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, > e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row > spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard > to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set > things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move > around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of > the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get > together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of > things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also > interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list > about > how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an > accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal > with directly. > > At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters > idea, > and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. > further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a > subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't > recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this > list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if > anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members > of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the > folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > > We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a > meeting > at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we > discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to > dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where > anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that > off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with > accessibility > in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I > hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we > recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open > meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off > site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential > that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best > effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an > answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > > If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related > CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > > mary From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 19:28:26 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:28:26 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080112/755a9d49/attachment.html From maryotten at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 20:37:29 2008 From: maryotten at comcast.net (mary otten) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:37:29 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080113023729.maryotten@comcast.net> i agree with cindy's comments below. and _social justice doesn't just mean in the wider world, although that is certainly a large part. what about anti-racism multi-cultural work within congregations? or welcoming congregation and the welcoming of all people, no matter whether they are gay bi- trans- or straight? indeed, i would argue that walking the talk at home, so to speak, is a huge part of credibility in the wider community. int case, accessibility within the church community is most definitely a part of social justice. but you're both right. thesetfors are going to be discussed more, especially ministerial. mary but ----- source message ----- from: Lucinda Pitcairn to: Accessibility group date: 2008/01/13 01:29:37 subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting > > > David Gilmartin wrote: > CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for > this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with > accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and > congregational life. > This may be true for the coming months, but our goals, as outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to some degree. Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from our last meeting that we had done all the work planning for this year or next. > > As far as the cluster descriptions go (from > January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with > "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." > I think we need better definitions of these two terms, something that will no doubt be deliberated upon by the clusters task force. > > Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something in and for the wider world. > It does to me, too, but one could argue that making our church more accessible in both the literal and figurative sense is also practicing social justice. > > Cindy > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrotecci attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers > that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was > mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site > visits > is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would > be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, > e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row > spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard > to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set > things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move > around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of > the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get > together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of > things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also > interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list > about > how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an > accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal > with directly. > > At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters > idea, > and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. > further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a > subcommitteedd/task force has been formed to do that work. I can't > recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this > list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if > anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members > of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the > folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > > We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a > meeting > at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we > discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to > dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where > anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that > off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with > accessibility > in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I > hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we > recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open > meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off > site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential > that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best > effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an > answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > > If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related > CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > > mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Sat Jan 12 21:03:57 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <47892E9D.8090003@comcast.net> References: <47892E9D.8090003@comcast.net> Message-ID: I just want to make note of how thoroughly Mary expressed our concerns without using a hammer. She said no one should feel guilty... which a few thought amusing, at least I think they did, because they laughed... maybe that was just because they like to feel guilty, or maybe because they think UU's can't help themselves. Anyway, Mary put everyone at ease and I was impressed with how comfortable everyone seemed to be with the topic and was thinking of more ideas... or I assumed they were as they were making lots of notes. I did not sense any resistance, just a desire to do it well. I, of course, had to jump in with my way of putting something that Mary had already said quite well... If I sit next to you next time, Mary, will you kick me? Joy says I always have to have the last word. I'm working on that even though I don't think that's true. Has everyone seen the handles on the Sanctuary doors, on the Inside??? One can now pull the doors closed from the inside. YEA! dm On Jan 12, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Mary, > > Thanks so much for your notes. I'm glad you were able to get there. > I'll > get in touch with Sue about the auction set-up when I get a chance. It > won't be hard to give her ADA numbers--much harder just to get out from > under the tasks at hand! Cindy > > Mary Otten wrote: >> Hi folks, >> i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is >> definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers >> that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was >> mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site >> visits >> is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would >> be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, >> e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row >> spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard >> to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set >> things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move >> around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of >> the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get >> together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of >> things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also >> interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list >> about >> how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an >> accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal >> with directly. >> >> At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters >> idea, >> and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. >> further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a >> subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't >> recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this >> list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if >> anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members >> of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the >> folks is Sarah Hendrickson. >> >> We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a >> meeting >> at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we >> discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to >> dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where >> anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that >> off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with >> accessibility >> in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I >> hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we >> recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open >> meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off >> site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential >> that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best >> effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an >> answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. >> >> If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related >> CC topics, please feel free to speak up. >> >> mary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 21:09:59 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:09:59 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <839886EF-78F0-403D-B3AF-8023839DFE4F@comcast.net> Cindy, Hope you will not mind that I'm forwarding this to some of the members of the CC giving consideration to the cluster groupings and issues. I feel it has some relevance to their work, too, and want to put it on their plate, so to speak. True, our vision/mission goes beyond what we were discussing for the next year or so. (And we want to add to our goals and activities for this year and next, and be able to do so, though I felt we set a fairly ambitious agenda last Tuesday.) And I thoroughly hope that what we're working on will develop, change, evolve. My thinking was that as the committee develops more of a social justice practice that the committee might move into a different cluster; I could live with that. But I'm remembering a discussion -- somewhere -- in which I tried to push the concept of increasing accessibility in the greater Eugene area as one possible kind of UUCE social justice work (though probably tried conceptualizing it as "community ministry," and felt as if the idea just plopped. I don't know if my vision wasn't well communicated, wasn't understood, wasn't accepted, or what. But it seemed to get no traction at all. And I will say I was discouraged by that. I value and am fascinated by categories. (I just re-found a list of categories for analyzing worship, hopefully in ways that "help congregations talk about worship without getting caught in conversation about individual preferences." Craig Satterlee, "Characteristics of Christian Worship," Alban Institute website: http://www.alban.org/conversation.aspx?id=5510) I've been trying to think of a set of categories that would help those in our congregation think and talk about what our church does. The set I like most is about what the church does in terms of various ministries, e.g., worship, care and concern, spiritual growth, social justice, accessibility, etc. Looking at the Alban website for resources in this area, I find a couple. One is a book, "Letting Go: Transforming Congregations for Ministry," by Roy Phillips (a UU minister). Another, an on-line article, "Every-Member Ministry," by Patricia Hayes, http://www.alban.org/conversation.aspx?id=2920 contains a model for an annual spiritual checkup, which I thought was a pretty provocative list of categories. Sorry if this overwhelms. I wanted to include links to resources that might help the cluster discussion. David On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > David Gilmartin wrote: >> >> CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for >> this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with >> accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and >> congregational life. > This may be true for the coming months, but our goals, as outlined > in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to some degree. Secondly, > I did not come away with the impression from our last meeting that > we had done all the work planning for this year or next. >> As far as the cluster descriptions go (from >> January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with >> "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." > I think we need better definitions of these two terms, something > that will no doubt be deliberated upon by the clusters task force. >> Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something >> in and for the wider world. > It does to me, too, but one could argue that making our church more > accessible in both the literal and figurative sense is also > practicing social justice. > > Cindy > > >> On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:i attended that >> meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest >> in our check-list, including some specific numbers >> that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was >> mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site >> visits >> is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it >> would >> be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, >> e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row >> spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard >> to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set >> things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move >> around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of >> the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get >> together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect >> of >> things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also >> interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list >> about >> how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an >> accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal >> with directly. >> >> At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters >> idea, >> and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. >> further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a >> subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't >> recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this >> list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if >> anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the >> members >> of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the >> folks is Sarah Hendrickson. >> >> We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a >> meeting >> at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we >> discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to >> dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings >> where >> anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that >> off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with >> accessibility >> in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I >> hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we >> recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open >> meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have >> off >> site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential >> that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best >> effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an >> answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. >> >> If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related >> CC topics, please feel free to speak up. >> >> mary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080112/0fe69a63/attachment-0001.html From barbprentice at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 22:56:11 2008 From: barbprentice at comcast.net (Barb Prentice) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <20080113023729.maryotten@comcast.net> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> <20080113023729.maryotten@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801130446.m0D4kvPT028749@host.uuserver.net> I haven't been able to make any of the Accessibility committee meetings, but have followed the list serve. as a member of the Social Justice Committee, I think these concerns are very much social justice concerns. I think Mary puts it very well. Barb At 06:37 PM 1/12/2008, mary otten wrote: >i agree with cindy's comments below. and _social justice doesn't >just mean in the wider world, although that is certainly a large >part. what about anti-racism multi-cultural work within >congregations? or welcoming congregation and the welcoming of all >people, no matter whether they are gay bi- trans- or straight? >indeed, i would argue that walking the talk at home, so to speak, is >a huge part of credibility in the wider community. int case, >accessibility within the church community is most definitely a part >of social justice. but you're both right. thesetfors are going to be >discussed more, especially ministerial. >mary >but >----- source message ----- >from: Lucinda Pitcairn >to: Accessibility group >date: 2008/01/13 01:29:37 >subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting > > > > > > > David Gilmartin wrote: > > CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for > > this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with > > accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and > > congregational life. > > This may be true for the coming months, but our goals, as > outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to some degree. > Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from our last > meeting that we had done all the work planning for this year or next. > > > > As far as the cluster descriptions go (from > > January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with > > "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." > > I think we need better definitions of these two terms, something > that will no doubt be deliberated upon by the clusters task force. > > > > Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing > something in and for the wider world. > > It does to me, too, but one could argue that making our church > more accessible in both the literal and figurative sense is also > practicing social justice. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrotecci attended that > meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest > in our check-list, including some specific numbers > > that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was > > mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site > > visits > > is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would > > be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, > > e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row > > spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard > > to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set > > things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move > > around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of > > the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get > > together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of > > things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also > > interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list > > about > > how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an > > accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal > > with directly. > > > > At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters > > idea, > > and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. > > further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a > > subcommitteedd/task force has been formed to do that work. I can't > > recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this > > list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if > > anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members > > of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the > > folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > > > > We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a > > meeting > > at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we > > discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to > > dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where > > anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that > > off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with > > accessibility > > in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I > > hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we > > recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open > > meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off > > site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential > > that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best > > effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an > > answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > > > > If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related > > CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > > > > mary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From barbprentice at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 22:56:11 2008 From: barbprentice at comcast.net (Barb Prentice) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <20080113023729.maryotten@comcast.net> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> <20080113023729.maryotten@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200801130446.m0D4kvPj028750@host.uuserver.net> I haven't been able to make any of the Accessibility committee meetings, but have followed the list serve. as a member of the Social Justice Committee, I think these concerns are very much social justice concerns. I think Mary puts it very well. Barb At 06:37 PM 1/12/2008, mary otten wrote: >i agree with cindy's comments below. and _social justice doesn't >just mean in the wider world, although that is certainly a large >part. what about anti-racism multi-cultural work within >congregations? or welcoming congregation and the welcoming of all >people, no matter whether they are gay bi- trans- or straight? >indeed, i would argue that walking the talk at home, so to speak, is >a huge part of credibility in the wider community. int case, >accessibility within the church community is most definitely a part >of social justice. but you're both right. thesetfors are going to be >discussed more, especially ministerial. >mary >but >----- source message ----- >from: Lucinda Pitcairn >to: Accessibility group >date: 2008/01/13 01:29:37 >subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting > > > > > > > David Gilmartin wrote: > > CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for > > this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with > > accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and > > congregational life. > > This may be true for the coming months, but our goals, as > outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to some degree. > Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from our last > meeting that we had done all the work planning for this year or next. > > > > As far as the cluster descriptions go (from > > January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with > > "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." > > I think we need better definitions of these two terms, something > that will no doubt be deliberated upon by the clusters task force. > > > > Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing > something in and for the wider world. > > It does to me, too, but one could argue that making our church > more accessible in both the literal and figurative sense is also > practicing social justice. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrotecci attended that > meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest > in our check-list, including some specific numbers > > that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was > > mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site > > visits > > is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would > > be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, > > e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row > > spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard > > to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set > > things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move > > around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of > > the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get > > together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of > > things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also > > interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list > > about > > how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an > > accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal > > with directly. > > > > At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters > > idea, > > and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. > > further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a > > subcommitteedd/task force has been formed to do that work. I can't > > recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this > > list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if > > anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members > > of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the > > folks is Sarah Hendrickson. > > > > We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a > > meeting > > at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we > > discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to > > dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where > > anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that > > off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with > > accessibility > > in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I > > hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we > > recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open > > meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off > > site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential > > that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best > > effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an > > answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. > > > > If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related > > CC topics, please feel free to speak up. > > > > mary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From algaelady at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 00:08:02 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:08:02 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001d01c855aa$a85c9460$6401a8c0@TheMachine> I agree with Cindy... I have resistance to being ministerial... disability is political political political. j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:28 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting David Gilmartin wrote: CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and congregational life. This may be true for the coming months, but our goals, as outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to some degree. Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from our last meeting that we had done all the work planning for this year or next. As far as the cluster descriptions go (from January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." I think we need better definitions of these two terms, something that will no doubt be deliberated upon by the clusters task force. Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something in and for the wider world. It does to me, too, but one could argue that making our church more accessible in both the literal and figurative sense is also practicing social justice. Cindy On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site visits is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list about how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal with directly. At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters idea, and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the folks is Sarah Hendrickson. We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a meeting at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with accessibility in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related CC topics, please feel free to speak up. mary _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080112/658e6235/attachment-0001.html From mariah at efn.org Sun Jan 13 01:41:59 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:41:59 -0800 Subject: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting In-Reply-To: <001d01c855aa$a85c9460$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <4789693A.60102@comcast.net> <001d01c855aa$a85c9460$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <8b628683343efb33329049b7073dec66@efn.org> I think a particular committee might be in (or send a rep. to) more than one cluster. I think as Accessibility grows and matures... it seems this year we are devoted to tieing up the loose ends, grab bars, ramps, lighting, door handles, mission statements, check lists, etc. We are getting our feet wet, finding our collective voice and where we fit into the ministry at UUCE. I agree we belong in Social Justice... And, we are part of the ministry we all do for one another as a community... and we are more than that... We are educating ourselves about each other, and educating the congregation about inclusion, and we could extend that process into the wider community... Who knows where this could take us... dm On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:08 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > I agree with Cindy... I have resistance to being ministerial... > disability is political political political. > j-m. > ? > ? > >> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org >> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:28 PM >> To: Accessibility group >> Subject: Re: [Access] notes from the Co-ordinating council meeting >> >> David Gilmartin wrote:CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at >> our last meeting, for >>> this year and next, it seemed to me that our goals had to do with >>> accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and >>> congregational life. This may be true for the coming months, but our >>> goals, as outlined in our committee proposal, go beyond that, to >>> some degree. Secondly, I did not come away with the impression from >>> our last meeting that we had done all the work planning for this >>> year or next. >>> As far as the cluster descriptions go (from >>> January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with >>> "Ministerial" than "Social Justice."I think we need better >>> definitions of these two terms, something that will no doubt be >>> deliberated upon by the clusters task force. >>> Social Justice, to me, carries the implication of doing something >>> in and for the wider world. It does to me, too, but one could argue >>> that making our church more accessible in both the literal and >>> figurative sense is also practicing social justice. >> >> Cindy >> >> >>> On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:i attended that >>> meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is definite interest in >>> our check-list, including some specific numbers >>> that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was >>> mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site >>> visits >>> is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it >>> would >>> be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, >>> e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row >>> spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard >>> to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set >>> things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move >>> around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of >>> the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get >>> together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect >>> of >>> things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also >>> interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list >>> about >>> how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an >>> accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal >>> with directly. >>> >>> At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters >>> idea, >>> and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. >>> further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a >>> subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't >>> recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this >>> list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if >>> anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the >>> members >>> of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the >>> folks is Sarah Hendrickson. >>> >>> We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a >>> meeting >>> at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we >>> discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to >>> dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings >>> where >>> anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that >>> off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with >>> accessibility >>> in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I >>> hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we >>> recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open >>> meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have >>> off >>> site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential >>> that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best >>> effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an >>> answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. >>> >>> If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related >>> CC topics, please feel free to speak up. >>> >>> mary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason is that, for some, that combined > width would be too far to reach across to grasp an item, from the > aisle. > > CLUSTER DISCUSSION: In our work planning, at our last meeting, for > this year and next, it seeded to me that our goals had to do with > accessibility and welcomingness within the church building and > congregational life. As far as the cluster descriptions go (from > January 12 agenda), I think this may be a better fit with > "Ministerial" than "Social Justice." Social Justice, to me, carries > the implication of doing something in and for the wider world. Closely > related, I've been working to find a better name for the "Program" > category. "Creating Meaningfulness"? > > MEETINGS ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE: Mary, I think your paragraph > description is brilliantly clear and concise. I think it belongs up > there on the accessibility web pages! > > David G. > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> i attended that meeting this morning, as did Mariah. There is >> definite interest in our check-list, including some specific numbers >> that will ensure that power wheel-chairs can be accommodated. It was >> mentioned that having somebody who uses a wheel-chair go on site >> visits >> is a good idea, but there are ADA numbers as well, so I think it would >> be good to get specific on the check list and include such numbers, >> e.g. as pertains to bath-room access and meeting set up, aisles, row >> spacing etc. Sue Craig mentioned her concern specificaly with regard >> to the upcoming service auction. she wants to make sure that they set >> things up so that folks who use power chairs will be able to move >> around. Since I doubt the check list will be finalized by the time of >> the auction, it might be a nice idea if Cindy and Sue could get >> together via e-mail or telephone or whatever to discuss that aspect of >> things specifically as they relate to this event. There is also >> interest in having our check-list put together with Candee-s list >> about >> how to get child care, since lack of child care is also an >> accessibility barrier, albeit of a different sort than what we deal >> with directly. >> >> At the meeting, there was discussion about the committee clusters >> idea, >> and there was talk of putting us into the social justice cluster. >> further work is going to be done on this whole topic; a >> subcommittee./task force has been formed to do that work. I can't >> recall who volunteered for it, but I know Ken and Mariah are on this >> list, and I'm sure one or both of them will be able to fill in. So if >> anyone has definite ideas about this topic, contact one of the members >> of that subcommittee and make your wishes known. I know one of the >> folks is Sarah Hendrickson. >> >> We also talked about the issue of when its preferable to hold a >> meeting >> at church and when off site is ok, and I made the points that we >> discussed at our last meeting, emphasizing that we were not trying to >> dump guilt trips on people, but that we did expect that meetings where >> anybody might be expected to come should be held at church, and that >> off site locations of such meetings should be chosen with >> accessibility >> in mind. and there was some discussion as to just what that meant. I >> hope I got the idea across that the bottom line is that, a: we >> recognize that its not always going to be possible to hold all open >> meetings at church; b: its not always going to be possible to have off >> site locations be 100% comfortably accessible; but c: it is essential >> that we try to make that happen, and that people know that the best >> effort was made to make it so. Its a lot easier to take "no" for an >> answer if you really feel like best efforts were expended. >> >> If Ken or Mariah want to add anythingh to my summary of acces-related >> CC topics, please feel free to speak up. >> >> mary > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 18:52:05 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:52:05 -0800 Subject: [Access] Two Corita Posters Message-ID: <41B81999-5154-4C47-B4BD-83EC4C0525F8@comcast.net> Two Corita Posters I have two posters by Corita Kent, which I would be pleased to donate to a community organization which does advocacy on behalf of people with disabilities. The posters were produced at Syracuse University, date unknown. Corita Kent also known as Sister Corita, gained international fame for her vibrant serigraphs during the 1960s and 1970s. A Sister of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, she ran the Art Department at Immaculate Heart College until 1968 when she left the Order and moved to Boston. Corita?s art reflects her spirituality, her commitment to social justice, her hope for peace and her delight in ?the world that takes place all around us.? Descriptions: 1. ?I am blind yet I see; I am deaf yet I hear? ? Helen Keller. Below is a paragraph describing Keller?s legacy to the disability rights movement. 2. ?Our voice is new. We must first learn to speak And we ask everyone to learn to understand our voices We need people who teach us to speak People who believe in us Mentally retarded persons do not want to live in terrible institutions We want to live in the community? and ?Statement made by people in Austria who are mentally retarded ? at the United Nations Center on Social Development and Humanitarian Affairs? -- David Gilmartin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080113/f32579ed/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Sun Jan 13 19:51:51 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:51:51 -0800 Subject: [Access] Two Corita Posters In-Reply-To: <41B81999-5154-4C47-B4BD-83EC4C0525F8@comcast.net> References: <41B81999-5154-4C47-B4BD-83EC4C0525F8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2659cdc199f7e81728ac7a76f6413142@efn.org> How about donating them to our Auction on March 8th? On Jan 13, 2008, at 4:52 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: > Two Corita Posters > > ? > I have two posters by Corita Kent, which I would be pleased to donate > to a community organization which does advocacy on behalf of people > with disabilities. The posters were produced at Syracuse University, > date unknown. > ? > Corita Kent also known as Sister Corita, gained international fame for > her vibrant serigraphs during the 1960s and 1970s. A Sister of the > Immaculate Heart of Mary, she ran the Art Department at Immaculate > Heart College until 1968 when she left the Order and moved to Boston. > Corita?s art reflects her spirituality, her commitment to social > justice, her hope for peace and her delight in ?the world that takes > place all around us.? > ? > Descriptions: > ? > 1. ?I am blind yet I see; I am deaf yet I hear? ? Helen Keller. Below > is a paragraph describing Keller?s legacy to the disability rights > movement. > ? > 2. ?Our voice is new. We must first learn to speak And we ask everyone > to learn to understand our voices We need people who teach us to speak > People who believe in us Mentally retarded persons do not want to live > in terrible institutions We want to live in the community? and > ?Statement made by people in Austria who are mentally retarded ? at > the United Nations Center on Social Development and Humanitarian > Affairs? > ? > -- David Gilmartin > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3172 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080113/300d0ee5/attachment.bin From ruthken at pacinfo.com Mon Jan 14 23:14:36 2008 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:14:36 -0800 Subject: [Access] recessed hinges Message-ID: Accessibility Friends, Here's an email I received from George Koris this evening: >This morning, Bob Kaeser, with George Koris acting as assistant, >installed the new hinges on the topside restroom that has the >ADA-compliant toilet. > >Bob designed and built a jig to route the needed hinge recesses, and >then routed the recesses and installed the hinges. > >The job took about three hours. Peace, George These guys are terrific! Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080114/8cea1f21/attachment.html From maryotten at earthlink.net Tue Jan 15 13:44:10 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:44:10 -0800 Subject: [Access] February meting back to its original date Message-ID: Hi folks, I wanted to let everyone know that our meeting is once again scheduled for the 1st Tuesday of February, which is the 5th, at 7:00. Nobody had stepped in and requested that evening, so Kim graciously put us back where we belong, so to speak. mary From lucindap at comcast.net Tue Jan 15 15:34:38 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:34:38 -0800 Subject: [Access] recessed hinges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478D26EE.501@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080115/f2ededb3/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Tue Jan 15 18:09:58 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:09:58 -0800 Subject: [Access] recessed hinges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <799a3f503854caf87aba2760bde86fb3@efn.org> You are all our heros!!! dm On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Ken Ross wrote: > Accessibility Friends, > > Here's an email I received from George Koris this evening: > >> This morning, Bob Kaeser, with George Koris acting as assistant, >> installed the new hinges on the topside restroom that has the >> ADA-compliant toilet.Bob designed and built a jig to route the needed >> hinge recesses, and then routed the recesses and installed the >> hinges.The job took about three hours.? Peace, George > These guys are terrific!? Ken > -- > > > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone:? 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 928 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080115/b2b91da8/attachment.bin From ruthken at pacinfo.com Tue Jan 15 19:03:39 2008 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:03:39 -0800 Subject: [Access] recessed hinges Message-ID: Accessibility Folks, I looked at the recessed hinges that Bob and George took three hours to install in the restroom with the ADA-compliant toilet. They did a fine job. The door now opens as far as possible. I measured, and the clearance is now just under 30 inches. Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From mariah at efn.org Tue Jan 15 21:14:08 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:14:08 -0800 Subject: [Access] recessed hinges In-Reply-