From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 01:49:21 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:49:21 -0700 Subject: [Access] Redo of information about Accessibility stuff on UUCE website Message-ID: <03745B5A-5427-470E-BC08-7E9193C8DA10@comcast.net> Readers: I hope what follows will make sense to your eyes, and to your electronic readers. I've copied and pasted from a Word document into my email program. To my eyes, there are a few funny layout things. I hope it will be easily readable by everyone. I've revised the document to include just what I think we've agreed upon to date. This seemed to me to make the most sense, since I started the document as a way to help Martha and anyone else know what our accessibility web pages would be like. Committee members, especially; let me know if anything you read here seems at odds with your recollections and might need clarification or change. Thanks. --David G. Accessibility at www.uueugene.org (A summary of the present state of accessibility at the UUCE website. ? DG) UUCE Website (Accessibility on the UUCE website is being developed in three related sets of information:) A. The UUCE Accessibility Committee Web Pages ? Purposes (as approved by the Board of Trustees) ? Accomplishments (Things the committee has done, or assisted in doing, such as the work on making the recent Minister?s Installation, or Auction, or Soiree, as accessible as possible; improvements in the restrooms, doorsill modifications, door handles on inside of sanctuary doors, and trainings in managing the sound system.) ? Contact Persons/Officers/Members/Other Interested Persons ? Latest Minutes ? Archive of past meetings? minutes and notes ? Calendar of agenda, times, and places of future meetings B. Sets of Guidelines for Providing Accessibility (To assist in event planning, accessibility awareness, and future property and building accessibility needs, the Accessibility Committee is making available a number of different guidelines. Reading through them may help you understand the many things that have implications for accessibility by people with disabilities. The Committee hopes than you will use one or more of these guidelines, and let our members know ? in detail! ? what you find helpful, and why. We?ve made guesses and assumptions about usefulness, but it will be your actual experiences that will help us in improving this section. (You may notice that accessibility has three main flavors. There?s architectural accessibility, physical details like door widths or positioning of electrical outlets. Program accessibility has a lot to do with the ?where? and ?how? of making programs and events open to everybody; for example, moving a meeting to a wheelchair accessible room if a wheelchair user wants to attend. Sometimes accessibility for another person depends directly on you ? your attitude and behavior: keeping your moustache trimmed to help someone lip read what you have to say, or purchasing and using a non- scented laundry detergent so a person with chemical sensitivities can remain near you and share in your activity.) Presently there are three accessibility guidelines, or checklists, available here or through links, (and one more in development), for your use: ? UUCE Accessibility Survey (latest rev., 04/01/2008) ? NOD?s ?Guide to Accessible Meetings? ? ADA Checklist for Existing Facilities ? Cindy?s checklist for event planners (in development) C. Lists and Links to Related Resources (Here are materials for your use to deepen or expand your knowledge of accessibility through various media. Accessibility Committee members and others will annotate the items to help you evaluate their usefulness. ) 1. Books, news, accessibility ideas from UU newsletters, meditation tapes, etc. 2. UUCE and UUA Accessibility Resources and Information (Examples) UUCE Accessibility Policy Description of UUCE Accessibility Features Recent Improvements to Accessibility UUA?s ?Disability 101?: www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/index.shtml UUA?s ?Disability Etiquette?: www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/27055.shtml UUA?s ?Working for Safety and to End Oppression,? www.uua.org/documents/congservices/araomc/safety_endoppression.pdf 3. Links to materials elsewhere on UUCE website, related to accessibility (Surely you know that lively discussions and projects do not remain compartmentalized. So, a related goal is to help you see and find the various ways and places that topics related to accessibility are being shared and acted on throughout the whole congregation. Many ideas about Radical Hospitality, for example, a driving force for the Membership Committee, have implications for accessibility. The UUA?s and this church?s work to undo the oppressions of racism, sexism, classism, ableism, etc., and move in a Journey Toward Wholeness, are intricately connected. The vision of a Green Sanctuary includes how people relate in meaningful and sustainable community; it is about accessible community in addition to being about renewing and sustaining a healthy planet for the next thousands of generations of life. Hopefully, this section will help you to see ? across the entire congregation ? how the UUCE is engaging with the communities and issues of this time and place.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080404/00d7edfc/attachment.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 03:13:13 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 01:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems Message-ID: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where UUCE's process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to have an item on the agenda even though the background information had not been shared in ways that made it accessible to everyone with adequate time for consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of her recent email -- about it appearing that words of some items for Sunday's big celebration will not be accessibly available to all. And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and difficulties could be discussed separate from any specific instances. Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April 12th? David G. From algaelady at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 12:40:30 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:40:30 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> References: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> How would you go about this, I mean what do you have in mind? I will have JUST moved, so I'm not sure I can make it... and, by the way, David the research guru, would you be so kind as to research the words to: "the road goes ever onward" or "ever on" from the movie The Trilogy and send them... quick enough, Mary could braille them... She is already (kindly) brailling the responsive reading for the three of us for tomorrow... This is an issue worth discussing and we may need to use instances as examples, they don't have to be "wrongs." j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:13 AM To: Access and Discussion Issues Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where UUCE's process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to have an item on the agenda even though the background information had not been shared in ways that made it accessible to everyone with adequate time for consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of her recent email -- about it appearing that words of some items for Sunday's big celebration will not be accessibly available to all. And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and difficulties could be discussed separate from any specific instances. Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April 12th? David G. _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 14:43:26 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Cindy Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <47F7D65E.2070802@comcast.net> Just some top of my head responses: Perhaps this upcoming CC meeting, April 12th, does not give us enough time to brainstorm how we want to present this, especially as we would want to circulate whatever we come up within the committee for review and comments. I agree, in general, with your comments, J-M. I see it as a huge task-- but, of course, if we want to change our society, we need to start locally, within our committee and our church. One reason I see it as a huge task is that I see almost everything that way, and most, if not all, of that attitude stems from my disability. Even using my computer is difficult today because my whole body feels like a big pincushion--a feeling that I can't expect anyone except another person with MS to understand. And yet I am writing this because I want to "stay in the loop". While problems like lack of mobility, vision, and hearing are generally, at least in part, comprehensible to most people, "silent symptoms" or manifestations of a disorder are not, or are more open to misinterpretation ("she can do it if she wants to" or "I saw him the other day and he didn't seem to have any problem at all"). Most people I know with such symptoms, myself included) give up after a while trying to explain them. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, so please forgive me. I hope some of my rant helps explain why I feel I can't continue on as secretary of the committee, but still want to be involved. Cindy jeannemarie moore wrote: > How would you go about this, I mean what do you have in mind? > > I will have JUST moved, so I'm not sure I can make it... > > and, by the way, David the research guru, would you be so kind as to > research the words to: > "the road goes ever onward" or "ever on" from the movie The Trilogy and send > them... quick enough, Mary could braille them... > She is already (kindly) brailling the responsive reading for the three of us > for tomorrow... > > This is an issue worth discussing and we may need to use instances as > examples, they don't have to be "wrongs." > > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On > Behalf Of David Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:13 AM > To: Access and Discussion Issues > Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems > > I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where UUCE's > process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to have an item > on the agenda even though the background information had not been shared in > ways that made it accessible to everyone with adequate time for > consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of her recent email -- > about it appearing that words of some items for Sunday's big celebration > will not be accessibly available to all. > > And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and difficulties > could be discussed separate from any specific instances. > > Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for > discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April 12th? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > From algaelady at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 15:01:39 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: <47F7D65E.2070802@comcast.net> References: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net><002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <47F7D65E.2070802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000801c89757$dd288bb0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi Cindy, Sometimes, not as often, I'm sure, I feel just how you are describing because of fibromyalgia. And I feel discouraged that our committee is so small. I appreciate so much what you've done, as a person... at church, in our group, as the "secretary"... I really appreciate the effort you've made to communicate. thank you so much. j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Pitcairn Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:43 PM To: Access Issues and Discussion Subject: Re: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems Just some top of my head responses: Perhaps this upcoming CC meeting, April 12th, does not give us enough time to brainstorm how we want to present this, especially as we would want to circulate whatever we come up within the committee for review and comments. I agree, in general, with your comments, J-M. I see it as a huge task-- but, of course, if we want to change our society, we need to start locally, within our committee and our church. One reason I see it as a huge task is that I see almost everything that way, and most, if not all, of that attitude stems from my disability. Even using my computer is difficult today because my whole body feels like a big pincushion--a feeling that I can't expect anyone except another person with MS to understand. And yet I am writing this because I want to "stay in the loop". While problems like lack of mobility, vision, and hearing are generally, at least in part, comprehensible to most people, "silent symptoms" or manifestations of a disorder are not, or are more open to misinterpretation ("she can do it if she wants to" or "I saw him the other day and he didn't seem to have any problem at all"). Most people I know with such symptoms, myself included) give up after a while trying to explain them. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, so please forgive me. I hope some of my rant helps explain why I feel I can't continue on as secretary of the committee, but still want to be involved. Cindy jeannemarie moore wrote: > How would you go about this, I mean what do you have in mind? > > I will have JUST moved, so I'm not sure I can make it... > > and, by the way, David the research guru, would you be so kind as to > research the words to: > "the road goes ever onward" or "ever on" from the movie The Trilogy > and send them... quick enough, Mary could braille them... > She is already (kindly) brailling the responsive reading for the three > of us for tomorrow... > > This is an issue worth discussing and we may need to use instances as > examples, they don't have to be "wrongs." > > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] > On Behalf Of David Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:13 AM > To: Access and Discussion Issues > Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems > > I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where > UUCE's process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to > have an item on the agenda even though the background information had > not been shared in ways that made it accessible to everyone with > adequate time for consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of > her recent email -- about it appearing that words of some items for > Sunday's big celebration will not be accessibly available to all. > > And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and > difficulties could be discussed separate from any specific instances. > > Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for > discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April 12th? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From maryotten at earthlink.net Sat Apr 5 18:28:55 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (mary otten) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: <1207415759.783562@earthlink.net> References: <1207415759.783562@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080405232855.maryotten@earthlink.net> david, i agree that having a discussion about broken processes at church with respect to accessibility is a good idea. i'm hoping it is a topic we can raise with the rev, if he comes to our june meeting. i think we could have examples to illustrate where things are broken, but that the idea of a discussion in general, not caused by any one example, is a good thing. but i am skeptical of having that talk at this next cc session. ken can surely correct me, but i think this next session is going to be seriously dedicated to budget things, so i wonder if there would be time on the agenda for such a discussion. mary ----- Original Message ----- From: David Gilmartin To: Access and Discussion Issues Date: 2008/04/05 17:02:17 Subject: [Access] Accessibility -- Process Problems > > > I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where > UUCE's process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to > have an item on the agenda even though the background information had > not been shared in ways that made it accessible to everyone with > adequate time for consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of > her recent email -- about it appearing that words of some items for > Sunday's big celebration will not be accessibly available to all. > > And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and > difficulties could be discussed separate from any specific instances. > > Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for > discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April > 12th? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Apr 6 01:35:55 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: Someone pointed out that next Saturday's meeting of the Coordinating Council will be largely devoted to budget discussions, and would not be optimal for a discussion of this subject. I can agree with that. What I have in mind is starting a discussion having to do with identifying and telling stories about times when our communications have been less than completely accessible, how those situations were problematic, what was done, how could it be done better, and whether there is any "overall" policy or set of "ready-if-needed" procedures that can be put into place to make things easier in the future. A good place to start might be telling stories on ourselves, the Accessibility Committee, where we've knocked against this a couple of times. There's this most recent instance, in which I came to the committee with a report written at the very last minute, which had not been shared with anyone on the committee except the person who met with me (as a subcommittee) to put a report together. The intent of the report was to describe to Martha, the webmaster, what the content and organization of the "accessibility pages" of the website would be. In addition to this information, in my enthusiasm I went on to brainstorm about other aspects of electronic communications at UUCE which had not been previously discussed by the Accessibility Committee and about which no consensus of opinion had been formed. The result was a great deal of confusion, and an inability to move toward consensus on any of the new material -- because no one had had it in time to think about it in advance of the meeting. Two members of the committee are blind and hadn't received the information in Brailled copy; no one else received the information until it was handed out at the meeting. I thought I was just passing along information, a report, but, in preparing the initial draft, I had not been sensitive to distinguish parts of the report which had already been discussed and accepted by the Committee from another part of the report, which was only some initial thoughts of my own, which had not been evaluated or previously agreed upon. If I were doing it all over again, I think I would have split the report in two. One part described what we had agreed upon so far; a second "report" in effect was an additional proposal and should have been a separate item of business. Jeanne-Marie, I have a vague recollection of another instance in which you and I discussed a situation in which Brailled copy of a report or something was lacking. Perhaps it was a Board meeting? Or lack of Brailled order of service readings? Do you remember it? Another part of either story, or other stories, would be, what was done because of the problem? Was the item tabled until the next meeting? Was the paper read out loud so it could be discussed without further delay? Was the accessibility issue discussed? Etc., etc. And what should be the way things are done because of this kind of problem? Is there a simple, single answer? I'm glad to be taking this off a front burner, by the way. The way in which people on committees were asked to think about our "reserving" seats for others at services, and its implications in terms of hospitability, by Nisco and Marilyn, for example, was quite creative. Maybe we could create a little psychodrama skit of a meeting at which Mary is taking part but can't take part because a key background paper did not go out in the Board packet in Braille... Hmmm? Enough for tonight. David On Apr 5, 2008, at 10:40 AM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > How would you go about this, I mean what do you have in mind? > > I will have JUST moved, so I'm not sure I can make it... > > and, by the way, David the research guru, would you be so kind as to > research the words to: > "the road goes ever onward" or "ever on" from the movie The Trilogy > and send > them... quick enough, Mary could braille them... > She is already (kindly) brailling the responsive reading for the > three of us > for tomorrow... > > This is an issue worth discussing and we may need to use instances as > examples, they don't have to be "wrongs." > > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access- > bounces at uueugene.org] On > Behalf Of David Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:13 AM > To: Access and Discussion Issues > Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems > > I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places > where UUCE's > process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to have > an item > on the agenda even though the background information had not been > shared in > ways that made it accessible to everyone with adequate time for > consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of her recent email > -- > about it appearing that words of some items for Sunday's big > celebration > will not be accessibly available to all. > > And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and > difficulties > could be discussed separate from any specific instances. > > Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for > discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, > April 12th? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From algaelady at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 18:15:16 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems In-Reply-To: References: <32831451-3798-4B10-9C70-975196DA0C68@comcast.net> <002c01c89744$24f893e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <007a01c8983c$138df7f0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Nice post, David... Thanks for your ideas. I think the CC isn't the time for this, and I think the June meeting to get the rev.'s ideas would be really ehlpful. Maybe we chould check with Leslie about how she'd feel about having a skit or two on her game night... Oh and, committee, we need to come up with a newsletter announcement about the game night making it sound "fun and appealing" according to Phyllis P. She is so sorry cindy P.'s name didn't get into the newsletter re the April poetry night... j-m. -----Original Message----- From: David Gilmartin [mailto:Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:36 PM To: algaelady at gmail.com; Access Issues and Discussion Subject: Re: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems Someone pointed out that next Saturday's meeting of the Coordinating Council will be largely devoted to budget discussions, and would not be optimal for a discussion of this subject. I can agree with that. What I have in mind is starting a discussion having to do with identifying and telling stories about times when our communications have been less than completely accessible, how those situations were problematic, what was done, how could it be done better, and whether there is any "overall" policy or set of "ready-if-needed" procedures that can be put into place to make things easier in the future. A good place to start might be telling stories on ourselves, the Accessibility Committee, where we've knocked against this a couple of times. There's this most recent instance, in which I came to the committee with a report written at the very last minute, which had not been shared with anyone on the committee except the person who met with me (as a subcommittee) to put a report together. The intent of the report was to describe to Martha, the webmaster, what the content and organization of the "accessibility pages" of the website would be. In addition to this information, in my enthusiasm I went on to brainstorm about other aspects of electronic communications at UUCE which had not been previously discussed by the Accessibility Committee and about which no consensus of opinion had been formed. The result was a great deal of confusion, and an inability to move toward consensus on any of the new material -- because no one had had it in time to think about it in advance of the meeting. Two members of the committee are blind and hadn't received the information in Brailled copy; no one else received the information until it was handed out at the meeting. I thought I was just passing along information, a report, but, in preparing the initial draft, I had not been sensitive to distinguish parts of the report which had already been discussed and accepted by the Committee from another part of the report, which was only some initial thoughts of my own, which had not been evaluated or previously agreed upon. If I were doing it all over again, I think I would have split the report in two. One part described what we had agreed upon so far; a second "report" in effect was an additional proposal and should have been a separate item of business. Jeanne-Marie, I have a vague recollection of another instance in which you and I discussed a situation in which Brailled copy of a report or something was lacking. Perhaps it was a Board meeting? Or lack of Brailled order of service readings? Do you remember it? Another part of either story, or other stories, would be, what was done because of the problem? Was the item tabled until the next meeting? Was the paper read out loud so it could be discussed without further delay? Was the accessibility issue discussed? Etc., etc. And what should be the way things are done because of this kind of problem? Is there a simple, single answer? I'm glad to be taking this off a front burner, by the way. The way in which people on committees were asked to think about our "reserving" seats for others at services, and its implications in terms of hospitability, by Nisco and Marilyn, for example, was quite creative. Maybe we could create a little psychodrama skit of a meeting at which Mary is taking part but can't take part because a key background paper did not go out in the Board packet in Braille... Hmmm? Enough for tonight. David On Apr 5, 2008, at 10:40 AM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > How would you go about this, I mean what do you have in mind? > > I will have JUST moved, so I'm not sure I can make it... > > and, by the way, David the research guru, would you be so kind as to > research the words to: > "the road goes ever onward" or "ever on" from the movie The Trilogy > and send them... quick enough, Mary could braille them... > She is already (kindly) brailling the responsive reading for the three > of us for tomorrow... > > This is an issue worth discussing and we may need to use instances as > examples, they don't have to be "wrongs." > > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access- > bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:13 AM > To: Access and Discussion Issues > Subject: [Access] Accessibility - Process Problems > > I think Jeanne-Marie has accurately targeted some of the places where > UUCE's process fails to provide accessibility, such as in my effort to > have an item on the agenda even though the background information had > not been shared in ways that made it accessible to everyone with > adequate time for consideration before the meeting. Or the subject of > her recent email > -- > about it appearing that words of some items for Sunday's big > celebration will not be accessibly available to all. > > And I think that some progress might be made if the issues and > difficulties could be discussed separate from any specific instances. > > Is anyone interested in helping to put this concern into some form for > discussion at the upcoming meeting of the Coordinating Council, April > 12th? > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From maryotten at earthlink.net Tue Apr 8 12:46:16 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Re: Invitation Message-ID: At our last meeting, I said I would write the rev. and inquire as to his availability for our June 3 meting. Below is his response, followed by my original letter. I'll keep you posted on what happens, but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he is out of town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible and change our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to the committee, so that we can meet with him inJune. Mary' Hi Mary, Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be back in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. Feel free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to you. However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, so if June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month? in faith, Steve Mary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve, As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite you to our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is a whole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions in the church. We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance to dialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, exchange ideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming and inclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible future Sunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect of this facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary when its available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, and would be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatever time during our meeting would be most convenient for you. We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will be able to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our June meeting. Sincerely, Mary Otten Rev. Stephen A. 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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:12:34 -0700From: lucindap at comcast.netTo: access at uueugene.orgSubject: Re: [Access] Fwd: Re: Invitation Mary,That's an excellent invitation you wrote to Rev. Steve. I think his input could be valuable for the committee and therefore would be happy to try to accommodate his schedule with our own for the June meeting.CindyMary Otten wrote: At our last meeting, I said I would write the rev. and inquire as to his availability for our June 3 meting. Below is his response, followed by my original letter. I'll keep you posted on what happens, but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he is out of town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible and change our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to the committee, so that we can meet with him inJune.Mary'Hi Mary,Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be back in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. Feel free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to you. However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, so if June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month?in faith,SteveMary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve,As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite youto our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is awhole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions inthe church. We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance todialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, exchangeideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming andinclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible futureSunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect ofthis facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary whenits available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, andwould be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatevertime during our meeting would be most convenient for you.We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will beable to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our Junemeeting. Sincerely,Mary OttenRev. Stephen A. LandaleThe Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene477 East 40th Ave.Eugene, OR 97405541/686-2775office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morningScripture is everywhere... pay attention. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. 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Steve. I think his input could be valuable for the committee and therefore would be happy to try to accommodate his schedule with our own for the June meeting. > > Cindy > > > Mary Otten wrote: > At our last meeting, I said I would write the rev. and inquire as to his availability for our June 3 meting. Below is his response, followed by my original letter. I'll keep you posted on what happens, but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he is out of town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible and change our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to the committee, so that we can meet with him inJune. > > Mary' > > > Hi Mary, > > Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be back in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. Feel free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to you. However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, so if June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month? > > in faith, > Steve > > > Mary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve, > As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite you > to our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is a > whole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions in > the church. > > We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance to > dialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, exchange > ideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming and > inclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible future > Sunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect of > this facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary when > its available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, and > would be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatever > time during our meeting would be most convenient for you. > > We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will be > able to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our June > meeting. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Otten > > > > > > Rev. Stephen A. Landale > The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene > 477 East 40th Ave. > Eugene, OR 97405 > 541/686-2775 > office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning > > Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > > > > > Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From algaelady at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 20:36:29 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Re: Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01c899e2$2283c9e0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi Mary, What a great letter! I'm so glad you're going to be on the board! I have some thoughts... at our June meeting, we might sort of plan what we want to cover with Steve because I was thinking we might be talking about the pot-luck game night at the May meeting... I had a fantasy about meeting on a Saturday, sitting outside at church sharing ... tea? lunch? something with Steve if that works for him... definitely we would benefit by flexing... I just wonder if we would benefit by giving up our June time. I sure think it's a good idea to meet with him though, and I'll go with the group's decision. j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:46 AM To: access at uueugene.org Subject: [Access] Fwd: Re: Invitation At our last meeting, I said I would write the rev. and inquire as to his availability for our June 3 meting. Below is his response, followed by my original letter. I'll keep you posted on what happens, but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he is out of town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible and change our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to the committee, so that we can meet with him inJune. Mary' Hi Mary, Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be back in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. Feel free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to you. However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, so if June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month? in faith, Steve Mary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve, As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite you to our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is a whole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions in the church. We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance to dialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, exchange ideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming and inclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible future Sunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect of this facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary when its available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, and would be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatever time during our meeting would be most convenient for you. We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will be able to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our June meeting. Sincerely, Mary Otten Rev. Stephen A. Landale The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene 477 East 40th Ave. Eugene, OR 97405 541/686-2775 office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080408/f08b95a0/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 23:56:11 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Access] Redo of information about Accessibility stuff on UUCEwebsite In-Reply-To: <03745B5A-5427-470E-BC08-7E9193C8DA10@comcast.net> References: <03745B5A-5427-470E-BC08-7E9193C8DA10@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c899fe$08b742f0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi David, This is good work. Thanks for your efforts... What's next in terms of what's needed from us? Blessings, j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:49 PM To: Access and Discussion Issues Subject: [Access] Redo of information about Accessibility stuff on UUCEwebsite Readers: I hope what follows will make sense to your eyes, and to your electronic readers. I've copied and pasted from a Word document into my email program. To my eyes, there are a few funny layout things. I hope it will be easily readable by everyone. I've revised the document to include just what I think we've agreed upon to date. This seemed to me to make the most sense, since I started the document as a way to help Martha and anyone else know what our accessibility web pages would be like. Committee members, especially; let me know if anything you read here seems at odds with your recollections and might need clarification or change. Thanks. --David G. Accessibility at www.uueugene.org (A summary of the present state of accessibility at the UUCE website. -DG) UUCE Website (Accessibility on the UUCE website is being developed in three related sets of information:) A. The UUCE Accessibility Committee Web Pages . Purposes (as approved by the Board of Trustees) . Accomplishments (Things the committee has done, or assisted in doing, such as the work on making the recent Minister's Installation, or Auction, or Soiree, as accessible as possible; improvements in the restrooms, doorsill modifications, door handles on inside of sanctuary doors, and trainings in managing the sound system.) . Contact Persons/Officers/Members/Other Interested Persons . Latest Minutes . Archive of past meetings' minutes and notes . Calendar of agenda, times, and places of future meetings B. Sets of Guidelines for Providing Accessibility (To assist in event planning, accessibility awareness, and future property and building accessibility needs, the Accessibility Committee is making available a number of different guidelines. Reading through them may help you understand the many things that have implications for accessibility by people with disabilities. The Committee hopes than you will use one or more of these guidelines, and let our members know - in detail! - what you find helpful, and why. We've made guesses and assumptions about usefulness, but it will be your actual experiences that will help us in improving this section. (You may notice that accessibility has three main flavors. There's architectural accessibility, physical details like door widths or positioning of electrical outlets. Program accessibility has a lot to do with the "where" and "how" of making programs and events open to everybody; for example, moving a meeting to a wheelchair accessible room if a wheelchair user wants to attend. Sometimes accessibility for another person depends directly on you - your attitude and behavior: keeping your moustache trimmed to help someone lip read what you have to say, or purchasing and using a non-scented laundry detergent so a person with chemical sensitivities can remain near you and share in your activity.) Presently there are three accessibility guidelines, or checklists, available here or through links, (and one more in development), for your use: . UUCE Accessibility Survey (latest rev., 04/01/2008) . NOD's "Guide to Accessible Meetings" . ADA Checklist for Existing Facilities . Cindy's checklist for event planners (in development) C. Lists and Links to Related Resources (Here are materials for your use to deepen or expand your knowledge of accessibility through various media. Accessibility Committee members and others will annotate the items to help you evaluate their usefulness. ) 1. Books, news, accessibility ideas from UU newsletters, meditation tapes, etc. 2. UUCE and UUA Accessibility Resources and Information (Examples) UUCE Accessibility Policy Description of UUCE Accessibility Features Recent Improvements to Accessibility UUA's "Disability 101": www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/index.shtml UUA's "Disability Etiquette": www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/27055.shtml UUA's "Working for Safety and to End Oppression," www.uua.org/documents/congservices/araomc/safety_endoppression.pdf 3. Links to materials elsewhere on UUCE website, related to accessibility (Surely you know that lively discussions and projects do not remain compartmentalized. So, a related goal is to help you see and find the various ways and places that topics related to accessibility are being shared and acted on throughout the whole congregation. Many ideas about Radical Hospitality, for example, a driving force for the Membership Committee, have implications for accessibility. The UUA's and this church's work to undo the oppressions of racism, sexism, classism, ableism, etc., and move in a Journey Toward Wholeness, are intricately connected. The vision of a Green Sanctuary includes how people relate in meaningful and sustainable community; it is about accessible community in addition to being about renewing and sustaining a healthy planet for the next thousands of generations of life. Hopefully, this section will help you to see - across the entire congregation - how the UUCE is engaging with the communities and issues of this time and place.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll keep you posted on what > happens, but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he > is out of town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible > and change our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to > the committee, so that we can meet with him inJune. > > Mary' > > > Hi Mary, > > Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be > out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be > back in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. > Feel free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to > you. However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, > so if June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month? > > in faith, > Steve > > > Mary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve, > As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite you > to our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is a > whole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions > in > the church. > > We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance to > dialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, > exchange > ideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming and > inclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible future > Sunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect of > this facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary when > its available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, > and > would be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatever > time during our meeting would be most convenient for you. > > We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will be > able to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our June > meeting. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Otten > > > > > > Rev. Stephen A. Landale > The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene > 477 East 40th Ave. > Eugene, OR 97405 > 541/686-2775 > office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning > > Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lets wait and see if he can make it on 1st Tue. in June. btw: he doesn't like to schedule meetings on Saturdays. dm On Apr 8, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > At our last meeting, I said I would write the rev. and inquire as to > his availability for our June 3 meting. Below is his response, > followed by my original letter. I'll keep you posted on what happens, > but it strikes me that if he can't meet with us because he is out of > town, that it would be a good thing for us to be flexible and change > our date, or plan an additional meting, decision is up to the > committee, so that we can meet with him inJune. > > Mary' > > > Hi Mary, > > Thanks for the invitation! I would love to meet with you. I will be > out of town though around that time and don't know yet if I'll be back > in time for a June 3 meeting. I should know within two weeks. Feel > free to ask me again in a week or two if I don't get back to you. > However, I've decided not to go to General Assembly this year, so if > June 3 doesn't work, perhaps we could meet later in the month? > > in faith, > Steve > > > Mary Otten wrote: Hello Rev Steve, > As co-chair of the accessibility committee, I would like to invite you > to our June meeting. I know, that is some weeks away, and there is a > whole lot to do between now and then with respect to major decisions > in > the church. > > We are a small committee, but we would really appreciate a chance to > dialogue with you at one of our meetings, to discuss our work, > exchange > ideas with you on our mutual vision of UUCE as a welcoming and > inclusive congregation, and discuss the idea of a possible future > Sunday service which you might lead which would have some aspect of > this facet of inclusion as its theme. We meet in the sanctuary when > its available, on the first Tuesday of the month from 7:00 to 9:00, > and > would be happy to have you join us for however long and at whatever > time during our meeting would be most convenient for you. > > We understand your schedule is packed, but we're hoping you will be > able to find the time to meet with us this church year, at our June > meeting. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Otten > > > > > > Rev. Stephen A. Landale > The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene > 477 East 40th Ave. > Eugene, OR 97405 > 541/686-2775 > office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning > > Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anybody has particular questions, or things they > think I should be sure to report, please send me a note. > > David G. > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 19:50:05 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (mary otten) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:50:05 -0700 Subject: [Access] Coordinating Council Meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: <39969eb777b0b430e03dcdb886137292@efn.org> References: <549CE206-0EC4-40CF-8BD1-FB30E1D486C9@comcast.net> <39969eb777b0b430e03dcdb886137292@efn.org> Message-ID: <20080410005005.maryotten@earthlink.net> well, let's have a party! i will also be there. mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "do. maria" To: Access Issues and Discussion Date: 2008/04/09 23:06:15 Subject: Re: [Access] Coordinating Council Meeting this Saturday > > > I will be there as well. dm > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 9:45 AM, David Gilmartin wrote: > > > I'm planning to attend Coordinating Council meeting on Saturday, > > especially to learn where things are in the budget planning for the > > next Fiscal Year. If anybody has particular questions, or things they > > think I should be sure to report, please send me a note. > > > > David G. > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 21:15:16 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Re: Invitation In-Reply-To: <77d0b59b709bd0735b941d37254674c7@efn.org> References: <77d0b59b709bd0735b941d37254674c7@efn.org> Message-ID: <593BF391-2DF8-42B9-85ED-0D2DCA88A197@comcast.net> When I was preparing to conduct a Sunday service, or just to deliver a sermon, Saturday was a last-minute crunch time, and I'd try to avoid meetings then, too. Even so, I was often up into the wee hours of the morning, finishing my writing. I remember, as well, my father working late on Saturday nights, to finish writing his sermons. --David G. > he doesn't like to schedule meetings on Saturdays. dm From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 22:14:17 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Access] Accessability Comm's Proposed Budget for FY 08-09 Message-ID: <27B85934-0730-4BDF-BE6F-A9CF4610F276@comcast.net> maria, You asked at the last committee meeting what our budget request had been, and I didn't have an answer for you as I was without a copy. Well, I just printed it out, and, let's see... Volunteer time was estimated as in kind contributions valued as 148 hours at $25/hr = $3,700. Staff time was estimated as $480. Facility use estimated as $120. Cost for printing a committee brochure estimated at $40. Looks to me like this was the only out-of-pocket type expense included. NOT INCLUDED in the budget were any costs associated with obtaining permissions to reproduce copyrighted materials on the UUCE website. Hope this is all correct. This is the first time I've looked over the request in over two months! I'm going to attach the request as an Excel document, below, for anyone who wants to exercise their gray matter with it. David G. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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David Gilmartin > New York Times -- April 15, 2008 > Well > Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid > By TARA PARKER-POPE > > Few products are hated as much as hearing aids. > > The devices can squeal with feedback and overamplify background > noises like the click of a turn signal or whir of a ceiling fan. > They must be removed for showering or sleeping, and their batteries > die frequently. Many users, out of exasperation, decide they'd > rather live with hearing loss. > > But now scientists have come up with a different kind of hearing > aid. While the device, called the Lyric, is being used in only 500 > patients, it appears to have overcome many of the problems > associated with traditional hearing aids - without the expense and > uncertainty of surgery and anesthesia. > > The Lyric, made by InSound Medical of Newark, Calif., is hidden deep > inside the ear canal, just four millimeters (about one-sixth of an > inch) from the ear drum. While doctors for years have been > implanting hearing devices in the middle ear, the Lyric is not an > implant: it can be removed with a small magnet. It is worn 24 hours > a day, and its batteries last one to four months. > > Typically, anything that clogs the ear canal would trap moisture and > pose an infection risk, but the Lyric is surrounded by a spongy > material that allows moisture to escape. Because it sits so close to > the ear drum, doctors say that it works more efficiently and that > sounds are more natural because they don't have to be amplified as > much. > > When the Lyric's battery dies, the entire device is replaced. > Patients do not pay for a new device every time; instead, they pay > an annual subscription fee of $2,900 to $3,600 for both ears (less > if the hearing loss is in only one ear). Insurance plans typically > do not cover the cost of the Lyric, or any other hearing device. > > A magnet is used to control the volume, turn it on and off and > remove it when the battery runs out. It takes only a few minutes for > a doctor to insert a replacement device. > > The Lyric does not work for everyone. In particular, some ear canals > are too narrow to accommodate it, and the company estimates that it > is not suitable for up to half of potential patients. A planned > newer version should work for about 85 percent of patients, it says. > > Still, it is already getting an enthusiastic reception from patients > and from hearing specialists not connected with the company. "There > are a certain number of patients who just can't get over having > something in their ear, just as there are a certain number of > patients who can't wear contact lenses," said Dr. Chester F. > Griffiths, chairman of the department of surgery at the Santa Monica > U.C.L.A. Medical Center. "But that's the minority. The patients that > have them love them." > > Dr. Griffiths says he has no financial ties to the Lyric, nor does > he receive a commission for referring patients. > > One patient who swears by the device is Mike Waufle, the 53-year-old > defensive line coach for the New York Giants. After a stint in the > Marines and regular exposure to the sounds of gunfire, Mr. Waufle > suffered hearing loss that grew worse and worse as he aged. > > On the football field, he just turned up the volume on his headset. > But the locker room was a different story. Some voices were > impossible to hear (including that of his last boss, Jon Gruden, the > former Oakland Raiders head coach). Players learned they needed to > face him when they spoke to him. Using a traditional hearing aid, he > found it difficult to control his own voice. > > "I teach a lot in a classroom as a coach, but when I would wear a > hearing aid my voice pattern wasn't very good," he said. "It was all > over the place. I just took it out most of the time. I missed an > awful lot." > > As it happened, a team doctor was one of a handful of physicians > test-marketing the Lyric, which has been available for about 16 > months. Mr. Waufle tried it, and he says it has changed his life. > > "My voice pattern is so natural, and I hear so much better," he > said. "Obviously, it's easier to carry on normal conversations > without having to always say, 'Huh? What did you say?' And it helps > just enjoying life over all and being able to hear the simple things > like birds and other sounds you take for granted." > > Mr. Waufle says he has no financial ties to the company and receives > no benefit for talking about his experience with the device. (The > company says none of the people featured in testimonials on its Web > site, www.lyrichearing.com, receive any form of compensation for > their endorsements.) > > Right now, the Lyric is offered only through a dozen clinics in > California, Florida and New Jersey, but it should be available at > about 100 sites by the end of the year. Some patients who don't live > near a clinic simply fly or drive to a site four or five times a > year. InSound is a privately held firm, although the pharmaceutical > giant Johnson & Johnson is a major investor. > > Dr. Robert A. Schindler, a co-founder of InSound and chairman > emeritus of the department of otolaryngology at the University of > California, San Francisco, says he has had hearing loss most of his > life and has worn a Lyric since 2005. He says he remembers listening > to an orchestra and hearing the light ping of the triangle. > > "I realized I hadn't heard it before," he said. "That was a very > exciting moment for me." > > E-mail: well at nytimes.com > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080415/88b36b8c/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Wed Apr 16 02:21:53 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid In-Reply-To: <94223764-D8D8-4981-8DD4-D45DF0A9555E@comcast.net> References: <94223764-D8D8-4981-8DD4-D45DF0A9555E@comcast.net> Message-ID: David, hearing aides generally cost $3,000 to 5,000. At $3,000 a year, this is not cheap!!! I will never be able to afford a hearing aid, (it took me 5 years to pay off my oral surgery and false teeth due to an infection). One would have to be wealthy to afford this new thing. Sounds good, tho. I can't figure out why there are ways to get drugs, eye glasses, and all other devises... even wheel chairs, when they are not covered by standard insurance... but, no one covers hearing aides. this makes no sense to me. Not being able to hear impedes communication. dm On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:14 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: > Received this information (sort of a combo story and promotion, I > thought) from a friend of mine. Though it seems a bit pricy to me, I > know hearing aids often cost quite a bit. There's a website mentioned > in the story that will get you a bit more detail and some graphics. > > David Gilmartin > >> New York Times? --? April 15, 2008 >> Well >> Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid >> By TARA PARKER-POPE >> >> Few products are hated as much as hearing aids. >> >> The devices can squeal with feedback and overamplify background >> noises like the click of a turn signal or whir of a ceiling fan. They >> must be removed for showering or sleeping, and their batteries die >> frequently. Many users, out of exasperation, decide they'd rather >> live with hearing loss. >> >> But now scientists have come up with a different kind of hearing aid. >> While the device, called the Lyric, is being used in only 500 >> patients, it appears to have overcome many of the problems associated >> with traditional hearing aids - without the expense and uncertainty >> of surgery and anesthesia. >> >> The Lyric, made by InSound Medical of Newark, Calif., is hidden deep >> inside the ear canal, just four millimeters (about one-sixth of an >> inch) from the ear drum. While doctors for years have been implanting >> hearing devices in the middle ear, the Lyric is not an implant: it >> can be removed with a small magnet. It is worn 24 hours a day, and >> its batteries last one to four months. >> >> Typically, anything that clogs the ear canal would trap moisture and >> pose an infection risk, but the Lyric is surrounded by a spongy >> material that allows moisture to escape. Because it sits so close to >> the ear drum, doctors say that it works more efficiently and that >> sounds are more natural because they don't have to be amplified as >> much. >> >> When the Lyric's battery dies, the entire device is replaced. >> Patients do not pay for a new device every time; instead, they pay an >> annual subscription fee of $2,900 to $3,600 for both ears (less if >> the hearing loss is in only one ear). Insurance plans typically do >> not cover the cost of the Lyric, or any other hearing device. >> >> A magnet is used to control the volume, turn it on and off and remove >> it when the battery runs out. It takes only a few minutes for a >> doctor to insert a replacement device. >> >> The Lyric does not work for everyone. In particular, some ear canals >> are too narrow to accommodate it, and the company estimates that it >> is not suitable for up to half of potential patients. A planned newer >> version should work for about 85 percent of patients, it says. >> >> Still, it is already getting an enthusiastic reception from patients >> and from hearing specialists not connected with the company. "There >> are a certain number of patients who just can't get over having >> something in their ear, just as there are a certain number of >> patients who can't wear contact lenses," said Dr. Chester F. >> Griffiths, chairman of the department of surgery at the Santa Monica >> U.C.L.A. Medical Center. "But that's the minority. The patients that >> have them love them." >> >> Dr. Griffiths says he has no financial ties to the Lyric, nor does he >> receive a commission for referring patients. >> >> One patient who swears by the device is Mike Waufle, the 53-year-old >> defensive line coach for the New York Giants. After a stint in the >> Marines and regular exposure to the sounds of gunfire, Mr. Waufle >> suffered hearing loss that grew worse and worse as he aged. >> >> On the football field, he just turned up the volume on his headset. >> But the locker room was a different story. Some voices were >> impossible to hear (including that of his last boss, Jon Gruden, the >> former Oakland Raiders head coach). Players learned they needed to >> face him when they spoke to him. Using a traditional hearing aid, he >> found it difficult to control his own voice. >> >> "I teach a lot in a classroom as a coach, but when I would wear a >> hearing aid my voice pattern wasn't very good," he said. "It was all >> over the place. I just took it out most of the time. I missed an >> awful lot." >> >> As it happened, a team doctor was one of a handful of physicians >> test-marketing the Lyric, which has been available for about 16 >> months. Mr. Waufle tried it, and he says it has changed his life. >> >> "My voice pattern is so natural, and I hear so much better," he said. >> "Obviously, it's easier to carry on normal conversations without >> having to always say, 'Huh? What did you say?' And it helps just >> enjoying life over all and being able to hear the simple things like >> birds and other sounds you take for granted." >> >> Mr. Waufle says he has no financial ties to the company and receives >> no benefit for talking about his experience with the device. (The >> company says none of the people featured in testimonials on its Web >> site,?www.lyrichearing.com, receive any form of compensation for >> their endorsements.) >> >> Right now, the Lyric is offered only through a dozen clinics in >> California, Florida and New Jersey, but it should be available at >> about 100 sites by the end of the year. Some patients who don't live >> near a clinic simply fly or drive to a site four or five times a >> year. InSound is a privately held firm, although the pharmaceutical >> giant Johnson & Johnson is a major investor. >> >> Dr. Robert A. Schindler, a co-founder of InSound and chairman >> emeritus of the department of otolaryngology at the University of >> California, San Francisco, says he has had hearing loss most of his >> life and has worn a Lyric since 2005. He says he remembers listening >> to an orchestra and hearing the light ping of the triangle. >> >> "I realized I hadn't heard it before," he said. "That was a very >> exciting moment for me." >> >> E-mail:?well at nytimes.com >> --_______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 10033 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080416/1e4384d8/attachment-0001.bin From algaelady at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 23:38:50 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid In-Reply-To: References: <94223764-D8D8-4981-8DD4-D45DF0A9555E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007501c8a044$ef277560$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi Mariah, Do you know about the Blanche fischer Foundation? You submit a request for equipment and have to pay part of it, but... you have to be an Oregon resident and low income, and have a disability... you're all those yes? go to that web site I think it's just their name.org blanchefischer.org but not sure, sorry. j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of d. maria Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:22 AM To: Access Issues and Discussion Subject: Re: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid David, hearing aides generally cost $3,000 to 5,000. At $3,000 a year, this is not cheap!!! I will never be able to afford a hearing aid, (it took me 5 years to pay off my oral surgery and false teeth due to an infection). One would have to be wealthy to afford this new thing. Sounds good, tho. I can't figure out why there are ways to get drugs, eye glasses, and all other devises... even wheel chairs, when they are not covered by standard insurance... but, no one covers hearing aides. this makes no sense to me. Not being able to hear impedes communication. dm On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:14 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: Received this information (sort of a combo story and promotion, I thought) from a friend of mine. Though it seems a bit pricy to me, I know hearing aids often cost quite a bit. There's a website mentioned in the story that will get you a bit more detail and some graphics. David Gilmartin New York Times -- April 15, 2008 Well Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid By TARA PARKER-POPE Few products are hated as much as hearing aids. The devices can squeal with feedback and overamplify background noises like the click of a turn signal or whir of a ceiling fan. They must be removed for showering or sleeping, and their batteries die frequently. Many users, out of exasperation, decide they'd rather live with hearing loss. But now scientists have come up with a different kind of hearing aid. While the device, called the Lyric, is being used in only 500 patients, it appears to have overcome many of the problems associated with traditional hearing aids - without the expense and uncertainty of surgery and anesthesia. The Lyric, made by InSound Medical of Newark, Calif., is hidden deep inside the ear canal, just four millimeters (about one-sixth of an inch) from the ear drum. While doctors for years have been implanting hearing devices in the middle ear, the Lyric is not an implant: it can be removed with a small magnet. It is worn 24 hours a day, and its batteries last one to four months. Typically, anything that clogs the ear canal would trap moisture and pose an infection risk, but the Lyric is surrounded by a spongy material that allows moisture to escape. Because it sits so close to the ear drum, doctors say that it works more efficiently and that sounds are more natural because they don't have to be amplified as much. When the Lyric's battery dies, the entire device is replaced. Patients do not pay for a new device every time; instead, they pay an annual subscription fee of $2,900 to $3,600 for both ears (less if the hearing loss is in only one ear). Insurance plans typically do not cover the cost of the Lyric, or any other hearing device. A magnet is used to control the volume, turn it on and off and remove it when the battery runs out. It takes only a few minutes for a doctor to insert a replacement device. The Lyric does not work for everyone. In particular, some ear canals are too narrow to accommodate it, and the company estimates that it is not suitable for up to half of potential patients. A planned newer version should work for about 85 percent of patients, it says. Still, it is already getting an enthusiastic reception from patients and from hearing specialists not connected with the company. "There are a certain number of patients who just can't get over having something in their ear, just as there are a certain number of patients who can't wear contact lenses," said Dr. Chester F. Griffiths, chairman of the department of surgery at the Santa Monica U.C.L.A. Medical Center. "But that's the minority. The patients that have them love them." Dr. Griffiths says he has no financial ties to the Lyric, nor does he receive a commission for referring patients. One patient who swears by the device is Mike Waufle, the 53-year-old defensive line coach for the New York Giants. After a stint in the Marines and regular exposure to the sounds of gunfire, Mr. Waufle suffered hearing loss that grew worse and worse as he aged. On the football field, he just turned up the volume on his headset. But the locker room was a different story. Some voices were impossible to hear (including that of his last boss, Jon Gruden, the former Oakland Raiders head coach). Players learned they needed to face him when they spoke to him. Using a traditional hearing aid, he found it difficult to control his own voice. "I teach a lot in a classroom as a coach, but when I would wear a hearing aid my voice pattern wasn't very good," he said. "It was all over the place. I just took it out most of the time. I missed an awful lot." As it happened, a team doctor was one of a handful of physicians test-marketing the Lyric, which has been available for about 16 months. Mr. Waufle tried it, and he says it has changed his life. "My voice pattern is so natural, and I hear so much better," he said. "Obviously, it's easier to carry on normal conversations without having to always say, 'Huh? What did you say?' And it helps just enjoying life over all and being able to hear the simple things like birds and other sounds you take for granted." Mr. Waufle says he has no financial ties to the company and receives no benefit for talking about his experience with the device. (The company says none of the people featured in testimonials on its Web site, www.lyrichearing.com, receive any form of compensation for their endorsements.) Right now, the Lyric is offered only through a dozen clinics in California, Florida and New Jersey, but it should be available at about 100 sites by the end of the year. Some patients who don't live near a clinic simply fly or drive to a site four or five times a year. InSound is a privately held firm, although the pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson is a major investor. Dr. Robert A. Schindler, a co-founder of InSound and chairman emeritus of the department of otolaryngology at the University of California, San Francisco, says he has had hearing loss most of his life and has worn a Lyric since 2005. He says he remembers listening to an orchestra and hearing the light ping of the triangle. "I realized I hadn't heard it before," he said. "That was a very exciting moment for me." E-mail: well at nytimes.com --_______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080416/e3609aae/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Thu Apr 17 01:19:41 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid In-Reply-To: <007501c8a044$ef277560$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <94223764-D8D8-4981-8DD4-D45DF0A9555E@comcast.net> <007501c8a044$ef277560$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: Thanks for the resource. I am not in need at this time for a hearing aid, but will be at some point. Does this resource offer to pay part of hearing aids specifically? dm On Apr 16, 2008, at 9:38 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > Hi Mariah, > ? > Do you know about the Blanche fischer Foundation?? You submit a > request for equipment and have to pay part of it, but... > you have to be an Oregon resident and low income, and have a > disability... > you're all those yes? > go to that web site I think it's just their name.org > ? > blanchefischer.org > but not sure, sorry. > ? > j-m. > ? > ? > >> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org >> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of d. maria >> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:22 AM >> To: Access Issues and Discussion >> Subject: Re: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid >> >> David, hearing aides generally cost $3,000 to 5,000. At $3,000 a >> year, this is not cheap!!! >> I will never be able to afford a hearing aid, (it took me 5 years to >> pay off my oral surgery and false teeth due to an infection). One >> would have to be wealthy to afford this new thing. Sounds good, tho. >> I can't figure out why there are ways to get drugs, eye glasses, and >> all other devises... even wheel chairs, when they are not covered by >> standard insurance... but, no one covers hearing aides. this makes no >> sense to me. Not being able to hear impedes communication. dm >> >> On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:14 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: >> >>> Received this information (sort of a combo story and promotion, I >>> thought) from a friend of mine. Though it seems a bit pricy to me, I >>> know hearing aids often cost quite a bit. There's a website >>> mentioned in the story that will get you a bit more detail and some >>> graphics. >>> >>> David Gilmartin >>> >>>> New York Times? --? April 15, 2008 >>>> Well >>>> Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid >>>> By TARA PARKER-POPE >>>> >>>> Few products are hated as much as hearing aids. >>>> >>>> The devices can squeal with feedback and overamplify background >>>> noises like the click of a turn signal or whir of a ceiling fan. >>>> They must be removed for showering or sleeping, and their batteries >>>> die frequently. Many users, out of exasperation, decide they'd >>>> rather live with hearing loss. >>>> >>>> But now scientists have come up with a different kind of hearing >>>> aid. While the device, called the Lyric, is being used in only 500 >>>> patients, it appears to have overcome many of the problems >>>> associated with traditional hearing aids - without the expense and >>>> uncertainty of surgery and anesthesia. >>>> >>>> The Lyric, made by InSound Medical of Newark, Calif., is hidden >>>> deep inside the ear canal, just four millimeters (about one-sixth >>>> of an inch) from the ear drum. While doctors for years have been >>>> implanting hearing devices in the middle ear, the Lyric is not an >>>> implant: it can be removed with a small magnet. It is worn 24 hours >>>> a day, and its batteries last one to four months. >>>> >>>> Typically, anything that clogs the ear canal would trap moisture >>>> and pose an infection risk, but the Lyric is surrounded by a spongy >>>> material that allows moisture to escape. Because it sits so close >>>> to the ear drum, doctors say that it works more efficiently and >>>> that sounds are more natural because they don't have to be >>>> amplified as much. >>>> >>>> When the Lyric's battery dies, the entire device is replaced. >>>> Patients do not pay for a new device every time; instead, they pay >>>> an annual subscription fee of $2,900 to $3,600 for both ears (less >>>> if the hearing loss is in only one ear). Insurance plans typically >>>> do not cover the cost of the Lyric, or any other hearing device. >>>> >>>> A magnet is used to control the volume, turn it on and off and >>>> remove it when the battery runs out. It takes only a few minutes >>>> for a doctor to insert a replacement device. >>>> >>>> The Lyric does not work for everyone. In particular, some ear >>>> canals are too narrow to accommodate it, and the company estimates >>>> that it is not suitable for up to half of potential patients. A >>>> planned newer version should work for about 85 percent of patients, >>>> it says. >>>> >>>> Still, it is already getting an enthusiastic reception from >>>> patients and from hearing specialists not connected with the >>>> company. "There are a certain number of patients who just can't get >>>> over having something in their ear, just as there are a certain >>>> number of patients who can't wear contact lenses," said Dr. Chester >>>> F. Griffiths, chairman of the department of surgery at the Santa >>>> Monica U.C.L.A. Medical Center. "But that's the minority. The >>>> patients that have them love them." >>>> >>>> Dr. Griffiths says he has no financial ties to the Lyric, nor does >>>> he receive a commission for referring patients. >>>> >>>> One patient who swears by the device is Mike Waufle, the >>>> 53-year-old defensive line coach for the New York Giants. After a >>>> stint in the Marines and regular exposure to the sounds of gunfire, >>>> Mr. Waufle suffered hearing loss that grew worse and worse as he >>>> aged. >>>> >>>> On the football field, he just turned up the volume on his headset. >>>> But the locker room was a different story. Some voices were >>>> impossible to hear (including that of his last boss, Jon Gruden, >>>> the former Oakland Raiders head coach). Players learned they needed >>>> to face him when they spoke to him. Using a traditional hearing >>>> aid, he found it difficult to control his own voice. >>>> >>>> "I teach a lot in a classroom as a coach, but when I would wear a >>>> hearing aid my voice pattern wasn't very good," he said. "It was >>>> all over the place. I just took it out most of the time. I missed >>>> an awful lot." >>>> >>>> As it happened, a team doctor was one of a handful of physicians >>>> test-marketing the Lyric, which has been available for about 16 >>>> months. Mr. Waufle tried it, and he says it has changed his life. >>>> >>>> "My voice pattern is so natural, and I hear so much better," he >>>> said. "Obviously, it's easier to carry on normal conversations >>>> without having to always say, 'Huh? What did you say?' And it helps >>>> just enjoying life over all and being able to hear the simple >>>> things like birds and other sounds you take for granted." >>>> >>>> Mr. Waufle says he has no financial ties to the company and >>>> receives no benefit for talking about his experience with the >>>> device. (The company says none of the people featured in >>>> testimonials on its Web site,?www.lyrichearing.com, receive any >>>> form of compensation for their endorsements.) >>>> >>>> Right now, the Lyric is offered only through a dozen clinics in >>>> California, Florida and New Jersey, but it should be available at >>>> about 100 sites by the end of the year. Some patients who don't >>>> live near a clinic simply fly or drive to a site four or five times >>>> a year. InSound is a privately held firm, although the >>>> pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson is a major investor. >>>> >>>> Dr. Robert A. Schindler, a co-founder of InSound and chairman >>>> emeritus of the department of otolaryngology at the University of >>>> California, San Francisco, says he has had hearing loss most of his >>>> life and has worn a Lyric since 2005. He says he remembers >>>> listening to an orchestra and hearing the light ping of the >>>> triangle. >>>> >>>> "I realized I hadn't heard it before," he said. "That was a very >>>> exciting moment for me." >>>> >>>> E-mail:?well at nytimes.com >>>> --_______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many Audiologists who dispense hearing aids also have financing plans available, some with no interest for the first 6 months to one year (although if you don't pay off full amount in that time, you will be whomped with interest for full amt. from day one). Starkey hearing aid company does have a program for those who can't afford hearing aids but don't qualify for other financial support. This is at the discretion of your Audiologist with whether or not they will ask Starkey on your behalf. They should really have a relationship with Starkey and utilize Starkey products. I haven't heard yet of this particular product. There are constant inventions and innovations in the hearing aid industry, some of which are successful and some of which are not (remember disposable hearing aids? Neither do I, I sold not one). As a consumer, I would avoid the newer and slightly bizarre inventions (I wouldn't want something in my ear 24 hours a day) until they are tried and true. The best thing you can do is establish a relationship with an Audiologist with whom you feel comfortable and whom you trust. Hearing aids are expensive. 1) because the manufacturers are in a constant process of research and technology advances (similar to drug manufacturers) AND 2) they are, in all honesty, a low volume business. Comparatively grocery stores, which sell at a VERY high volume have a very low mark-up rate. They make their money on selling MORE. Hearing aids are very low volume. One might sell hearing aids to only 10-20 patients per month, so the mark-up is necessarily much higher. I hope this helps. Thanks for the article. I haven't looked at the original yet, but it sounded more like an ad. Was it an actual article or an advertisement mocked up to look like one? Katherine Swem ----- Original Message ---- From: d. maria To: Access Issues and Discussion ; algaelady at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:19:41 PM Subject: Re: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid Thanks for the resource. I am not in need at this time for a hearing aid, but will be at some point. Does this resource offer to pay part of hearing aids specifically? dm On Apr 16, 2008, at 9:38 PM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > Hi Mariah, > > Do you know about the Blanche fischer Foundation? You submit a > request for equipment and have to pay part of it, but... > you have to be an Oregon resident and low income, and have a > disability... > you're all those yes? > go to that web site I think it's just their name.org > > blanchefischer.org > but not sure, sorry. > > j-m. > > > >> From: access-bounces at uueugene.org >> [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of d. maria >> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:22 AM >> To: Access Issues and Discussion >> Subject: Re: [Access] Fwd: Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid >> >> David, hearing aides generally cost $3,000 to 5,000. At $3,000 a >> year, this is not cheap!!! >> I will never be able to afford a hearing aid, (it took me 5 years to >> pay off my oral surgery and false teeth due to an infection). One >> would have to be wealthy to afford this new thing. Sounds good, tho. >> I can't figure out why there are ways to get drugs, eye glasses, and >> all other devises... even wheel chairs, when they are not covered by >> standard insurance... but, no one covers hearing aides. this makes no >> sense to me. Not being able to hear impedes communication. dm >> >> On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:14 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: >> >>> Received this information (sort of a combo story and promotion, I >>> thought) from a friend of mine. Though it seems a bit pricy to me, I >>> know hearing aids often cost quite a bit. There's a website >>> mentioned in the story that will get you a bit more detail and some >>> graphics. >>> >>> David Gilmartin >>> >>>> New York Times -- April 15, 2008 >>>> Well >>>> Raves (Yes, It's True) for New Hearing Aid >>>> By TARA PARKER-POPE >>>> >>>> Few products are hated as much as hearing aids. >>>> >>>> The devices can squeal with feedback and overamplify background >>>> noises like the click of a turn signal or whir of a ceiling fan. >>>> They must be removed for showering or sleeping, and their batteries >>>> die frequently. Many users, out of exasperation, decide they'd >>>> rather live with hearing loss. >>>> >>>> But now scientists have come up with a different kind of hearing >>>> aid. While the device, called the Lyric, is being used in only 500 >>>> patients, it appears to have overcome many of the problems >>>> associated with traditional hearing aids - without the expense and >>>> uncertainty of surgery and anesthesia. >>>> >>>> The Lyric, made by InSound Medical of Newark, Calif., is hidden >>>> deep inside the ear canal, just four millimeters (about one-sixth >>>> of an inch) from the ear drum. While doctors for years have been >>>> implanting hearing devices in the middle ear, the Lyric is not an >>>> implant: it can be removed with a small magnet. It is worn 24 hours >>>> a day, and its batteries last one to four months. >>>> >>>> Typically, anything that clogs the ear canal would trap moisture >>>> and pose an infection risk, but the Lyric is surrounded by a spongy >>>> material that allows moisture to escape. Because it sits so close >>>> to the ear drum, doctors say that it works more efficiently and >>>> that sounds are more natural because they don't have to be >>>> amplified as much. >>>> >>>> When the Lyric's battery dies, the entire device is replaced. >>>> Patients do not pay for a new device every time; instead, they pay >>>> an annual subscription fee of $2,900 to $3,600 for both ears (less >>>> if the hearing loss is in only one ear). Insurance plans typically >>>> do not cover the cost of the Lyric, or any other hearing device. >>>> >>>> A magnet is used to control the volume, turn it on and off and >>>> remove it when the battery runs out. It takes only a few minutes >>>> for a doctor to insert a replacement device. >>>> >>>> The Lyric does not work for everyone. In particular, some ear >>>> canals are too narrow to accommodate it, and the company estimates >>>> that it is not suitable for up to half of potential patients. A >>>> planned newer version should work for about 85 percent of patients, >>>> it says. >>>> >>>> Still, it is already getting an enthusiastic reception from >>>> patients and from hearing specialists not connected with the >>>> company. "There are a certain number of patients who just can't get >>>> over having something in their ear, just as there are a certain >>>> number of patients who can't wear contact lenses," said Dr. Chester >>>> F. Griffiths, chairman of the department of surgery at the Santa >>>> Monica U.C.L.A. Medical Center. "But that's the minority. The >>>> patients that have them love them." >>>> >>>> Dr. Griffiths says he has no financial ties to the Lyric, nor does >>>> he receive a commission for referring patients. >>>> >>>> One patient who swears by the device is Mike Waufle, the >>>> 53-year-old defensive line coach for the New York Giants. After a >>>> stint in the Marines and regular exposure to the sounds of gunfire, >>>> Mr. Waufle suffered hearing loss that grew worse and worse as he >>>> aged. >>>> >>>> On the football field, he just turned up the volume on his headset. >>>> But the locker room was a different story. Some voices were >>>> impossible to hear (including that of his last boss, Jon Gruden, >>>> the former Oakland Raiders head coach). Players learned they needed >>>> to face him when they spoke to him. Using a traditional hearing >>>> aid, he found it difficult to control his own voice. >>>> >>>> "I teach a lot in a classroom as a coach, but when I would wear a >>>> hearing aid my voice pattern wasn't very good," he said. "It was >>>> all over the place. I just took it out most of the time. I missed >>>> an awful lot." >>>> >>>> As it happened, a team doctor was one of a handful of physicians >>>> test-marketing the Lyric, which has been available for about 16 >>>> months. Mr. Waufle tried it, and he says it has changed his life. >>>> >>>> "My voice pattern is so natural, and I hear so much better," he >>>> said. "Obviously, it's easier to carry on normal conversations >>>> without having to always say, 'Huh? What did you say?' And it helps >>>> just enjoying life over all and being able to hear the simple >>>> things like birds and other sounds you take for granted." >>>> >>>> Mr. Waufle says he has no financial ties to the company and >>>> receives no benefit for talking about his experience with the >>>> device. (The company says none of the people featured in >>>> testimonials on its Web site, www.lyrichearing.com, receive any >>>> form of compensation for their endorsements.) >>>> >>>> Right now, the Lyric is offered only through a dozen clinics in >>>> California, Florida and New Jersey, but it should be available at >>>> about 100 sites by the end of the year. Some patients who don't >>>> live near a clinic simply fly or drive to a site four or five times >>>> a year. InSound is a privately held firm, although the >>>> pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson is a major investor. >>>> >>>> Dr. Robert A. Schindler, a co-founder of InSound and chairman >>>> emeritus of the department of otolaryngology at the University of >>>> California, San Francisco, says he has had hearing loss most of his >>>> life and has worn a Lyric since 2005. He says he remembers >>>> listening to an orchestra and hearing the light ping of the >>>> triangle. >>>> >>>> "I realized I hadn't heard it before," he said. "That was a very >>>> exciting moment for me." >>>> >>>> E-mail: well at nytimes.com >>>> --_______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> Access at uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org >>> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kylia managed the project, did most of the painting and did the bead work. I helped with the painting. Thanks, Kylia! Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim! Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From mariah at efn.org Thu Apr 17 19:06:15 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:06:15 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29079b04f8aed49c1997fd2cf42d822f@efn.org> You guys are SO awesome!! Glad we made the grade Kylia... Welcome to UUCE! dm On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Ken Ross wrote: > Facilities Council, Accessibility Committee, and Jim Weldy: > > Yesterday and today, white lines were painted on each side of the > walkway, and they were sprinkled with glass beads that will reflect > at night when lights are on. Kylia managed the project, did most of > the painting and did the bead work. I helped with the painting. > Thanks, Kylia! > > Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim! > > Ken > -- > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone: 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From maryotten at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 20:14:04 2008 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:14:04 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Kylia, Jim and Ken for more great work! You guys on facilities council are awesome! Mary On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:38:39 -0700, Ken Ross wrote: >Facilities Council, Accessibility Committee, and Jim Weldy: > >Yesterday and today, white lines were painted on each side of the >walkway, and they were sprinkled with glass beads that will reflect >at night when lights are on. Kylia managed the project, did most of >the painting and did the bead work. I helped with the painting. >Thanks, Kylia! > >Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim! > >Ken >-- >**************************************************** >Ken Ross >ruthken at pacinfo.com >home phone: 541-686-1549 >******************************************************* >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3035 (20080417) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Thu Apr 17 21:30:36 2008 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:30:36 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great! looking forward to using it. Thanks for the hard work. > From: maryotten at earthlink.net> To: access at uueugene.org; dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu; ddecou at comcast.net; edwinzack at earthlink.net; fuller.ann at gmail.com; gatbabrb at msn.com; gkoris at comcast.net; jdrenner at comcast.net; jkstevens1 at juno.com; kaeserr at earthlink.net; kayser_j at msn.com; kylia at basicisp.net> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:14:04 -0700> Subject: Re: [Access] Walkway through playground> > Thanks Kylia, Jim and Ken for more great work! You guys on facilities> council are awesome! > > Mary> > > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:38:39 -0700, Ken Ross wrote:> > >Facilities Council, Accessibility Committee, and Jim Weldy:> >> >Yesterday and today, white lines were painted on each side of the > >walkway, and they were sprinkled with glass beads that will reflect > >at night when lights are on. Kylia managed the project, did most of > >the painting and did the bead work. I helped with the painting. > >Thanks, Kylia!> >> >Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim!> >> >Ken> >-- > >****************************************************> >Ken Ross> >ruthken at pacinfo.com> >home phone: 541-686-1549> >*******************************************************> >_______________________________________________> >Access mailing list> >Access at uueugene.org> >http://www.uueugene.org> >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> >> >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3035 (20080417) __________> >> >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> >http://www.eset.com> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Going green? 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URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080417/6960340c/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 23:05:35 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:05:35 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Wow what an INTERESTING project... how will the beads stay in place? j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ross Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:39 PM To: fuller.ann at gmail.com; kaeserr at earthlink.net; ddecou at comcast.net; dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu; edwinzack at earthlink.net; gkoris at comcast.net; gatbabrb at msn.com; jkstevens1 at juno.com; kayser_j at msn.com; kylia at basicisp.net; ruthken at pacinfo.com; jdrenner at comcast.net; access at uueugene.org Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground Facilities Council, Accessibility Committee, and Jim Weldy: Yesterday and today, white lines were painted on each side of the walkway, and they were sprinkled with glass beads that will reflect at night when lights are on. Kylia managed the project, did most of the painting and did the bead work. I helped with the painting. Thanks, Kylia! Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim! Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From ruthken at pacinfo.com Thu Apr 17 23:59:12 2008 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:59:12 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: The beads are very small. Kylia used a fine tea strainer and they were sprinkled on the second coat of paint right after it was applied by me, i.e., while the second coat of paint was wet. These tiny beads reflect a little light and that makes the painted white line stand out. I actually checked it out at about 8:30 this evening --- after a meeting. Ken >Wow what an INTERESTING project... how will the beads stay in place? > >j-m. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On >Behalf Of Ken Ross >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:39 PM >To: fuller.ann at gmail.com; kaeserr at earthlink.net; ddecou at comcast.net; >dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu; edwinzack at earthlink.net; gkoris at comcast.net; >gatbabrb at msn.com; jkstevens1 at juno.com; kayser_j at msn.com; kylia at basicisp.net; >ruthken at pacinfo.com; jdrenner at comcast.net; access at uueugene.org >Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground > >Facilities Council, Accessibility Committee, and Jim Weldy: > >Yesterday and today, white lines were painted on each side of the walkway, >and they were sprinkled with glass beads that will reflect at night when >lights are on. Kylia managed the project, did most of the painting and did >the bead work. I helped with the painting. >Thanks, Kylia! > >Jim Weldy generously donated the paint and beads. Thanks, Jim! > >Ken >-- >**************************************************** >Ken Ross >ruthken at pacinfo.com >home phone: 541-686-1549 >******************************************************* >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 00:41:09 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Cindy Pitcairn) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:41:09 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080417/52fc3639/attachment-0001.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 00:58:04 2008 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:58:04 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1B96CD96-2CE0-42A9-B602-B17CD83613FF@comcast.net> Or, as in the case of this path, the curved and narrow. David G. On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cindy Pitcairn wrote: > What impressive teamwork! While the delineation will be especially > appreciated by those of us using wheelchairs, I expect it will help > everyone using the path to stay on the straight and narrow. Thanks > so much. > > Cindy > > > Ken Ross wrote: >> >> The beads are very small. Kylia used a fine tea strainer and they >> were sprinkled on the second coat of paint right after it was applied >> by me, i.e., while the second coat of paint was wet. These tiny >> beads reflect a little light and that makes the painted white line >> stand out. I actually checked it out at about 8:30 this evening --- >> after a meeting. >> >> Ken >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Fri Apr 18 01:41:28 2008 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:41:28 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5da82fa3048bc259ac8d7d24cd46466a@efn.org> If it were only so easy to stay on the straight & narrow! ha-ha On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cindy Pitcairn wrote: > What impressive teamwork!? While the delineation will be especially > appreciated by those of us using wheelchairs, I expect it will help > everyone using the path to stay on the straight and narrow.? Thanks so > much. > > Cindy > > > Ken Ross wrote:The beads are very small. Kylia used a fine tea > strainer and they >> were sprinkled on the second coat of paint right after it was applied >> by me, i.e., while the second coat of paint was wet. These tiny >> beads reflect a little light and that makes the painted white line >> stand out. I actually checked it out at about 8:30 this evening --- >> after a meeting. >> >> Ken >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 977 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080417/6c636bf7/attachment.bin From KaeserR at earthlink.net Fri Apr 18 09:16:35 2008 From: KaeserR at earthlink.net (Robert Kaeser) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: <1B96CD96-2CE0-42A9-B602-B17CD83613FF@comcast.net> References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> <1B96CD96-2CE0-42A9-B602-B17CD83613FF@comcast.net> Message-ID: So what else would you expect of UU's, certainly not straight and narrow! I'm not even sure about the narrow part. bob K At 10:58 PM 4/17/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Or, as in the case of this path, the curved and narrow. >David G. > >On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Cindy Pitcairn wrote: > > > What impressive teamwork! While the delineation will be especially > > appreciated by those of us using wheelchairs, I expect it will help > > everyone using the path to stay on the straight and narrow. Thanks > > so much. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > Ken Ross wrote: > >> > >> The beads are very small. Kylia used a fine tea strainer and they > >> were sprinkled on the second coat of paint right after it was applied > >> by me, i.e., while the second coat of paint was wet. These tiny > >> beads reflect a little light and that makes the painted white line > >> stand out. I actually checked it out at about 8:30 this evening --- > >> after a meeting. > >> > >> Ken > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access "Science, for its progress, its understanding and so on, depends so much on truth and clarity. And the question is: Are we living in a society where truth and clarity are an important element of our culture?" --- I. I. Rabi From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 13:17:55 2008 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Cindy Pitcairn) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Access] Item for newsletter #1 Message-ID: <4808E5D3.5070504@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080418/7ef04d37/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 17:27:06 2008 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:27:06 -0700 Subject: [Access] Walkway through playground In-Reply-To: <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> References: <008801c8a109$75462cd0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <48083475.1030308@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005201c8a335$aae270a0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Thanks, facilities council, for all the great work! j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Pitcairn Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:41 PM To: Access Issues and Discussion Subject: Re: [Access] Walkway through playground What impressive teamwork! While the delineation will be especially appreciated by those of us using wheelchairs, I expect it will help everyone using the path to stay on the straight and narrow. Thanks so much. Cindy Ken Ross wrote: The beads are very small. Kylia used a fine tea strainer and they were sprinkled on the second coat of paint right after it was applied by me, i.e., while the second coat of paint was wet. These tiny beads reflect a little light and that makes the painted white line stand out. I actually checked it out at about 8:30 this evening --- after a meeting. Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20080420/2c3479b6/attachment.html