From lucindap at comcast.net Sun Nov 18 16:25:51 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:25:51 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations Message-ID: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> Greetings to all. We now have, not only a real committee, but a mailing list as well, thanks to Mary, Martha, and the magic of the Internet! As Jeanne-Marie would say: How cool is THAT? My only relevant news is that I attended the Coordinating Council meeting yesterday morning at church. As it is customary for each committee to have a representative, I named myself the one for our group. It was announced that the new co-chairs for the Social Justice Committee are Jeff Jackson and Gretchen Miller. Much of the discussion involved practical matters, such as the use of the new bulletin board on the wall between the bathrooms on the upper level, the need to keep the AV closet door locked, the importance of turning out lights and locking the doors after a meeting or event, where to get forms for requesting or turning in money, the need for more people to be trained for operating the sound system, etc. There will be a budget workshop in January. The Committee Policies Manual has been revised by Ken Ross and changes were approved, with thanks for his tireless efforts. A report from Sue Craig was read, which stated that the spring auction will be held at the Westminster Presbyterian Church on Coburg Road. maria mentioned it would be good for our committee to check out the accessibility of the building for this. as well as for other events held outside the church. Marilyn and Nisco Junkins plan to attend our December 4th meeting to make an announcement. I spoke briefly to Marilyn, as chair of Membership, about the possibility of having representatives of our two committees attend each other's meetings, as there is clearly an overlap in our interests. She was very open to this idea. /That's all folks! /Cindy Pitcairn From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sun Nov 18 16:39:50 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:39:50 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations In-Reply-To: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> References: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> Message-ID: Cindy, Nice summary of the CC meeting. I'm still working on the rather-more-elaborate minutes of the meeting --- and I'll be running a draft by some selected pairs of eyes, including yours. Ken >Greetings to all. We now have, not only a real committee, but a mailing >list as well, thanks to Mary, Martha, and the magic of the Internet! As >Jeanne-Marie would say: How cool is THAT? > >My only relevant news is that I attended the Coordinating Council >meeting yesterday morning at church. As it is customary for each >committee to have a representative, I named myself the one for our group. > >It was announced that the new co-chairs for the Social Justice Committee >are Jeff Jackson and Gretchen Miller. > >Much of the discussion involved practical matters, such as the use of >the new bulletin board on the wall between the bathrooms on the upper >level, the need to keep the AV closet door locked, the importance of >turning out lights and locking the doors after a meeting or event, where >to get forms for requesting or turning in money, the need for more >people to be trained for operating the sound system, etc. > >There will be a budget workshop in January. > >The Committee Policies Manual has been revised by Ken Ross and changes >were approved, with thanks for his tireless efforts. > >A report from Sue Craig was read, which stated that the spring auction >will be held at the Westminster Presbyterian Church on Coburg Road. >maria mentioned it would be good for our committee to check out the >accessibility of the building for this. as well as for other events held >outside the church. > >Marilyn and Nisco Junkins plan to attend our December 4th meeting to >make an announcement. I spoke briefly to Marilyn, as chair of >Membership, about the possibility of having representatives of our two >committees attend each other's meetings, as there is clearly an overlap >in our interests. She was very open to this idea. > >/That's all folks! > >/Cindy Pitcairn > > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From maryotten at earthlink.net Sun Nov 18 16:40:32 2007 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:40:32 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations In-Reply-To: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hey cool, Cindy, and thanks for going to that CC meeting yesterday. I spent all day at the HRC process retreat. I'm going to call Sue C and talk to her about the location for the service auction. I'm really disappointed that its not at our church and wonder why; space, maybe? I encourage everybody to be thinking of possible agenda items for our next meeting, which is just a couple weeks hence. what I have so far are an update on the instalation, which I should have hot off the press, due to attending the task force meeting just before our meeting. and then there is the matter of brain storming items under each of our stated charges, which is a hold over from last meeting. Of course, we will want candle lighting, brief check in and a brief reading. Does anybody have a short reading they'd like to share along with the candle lighting? Cindy, did they do anything at the CC meeting yesterday with regard to rules on who from the various committees is suppose to attend metings of that body? i.e. are they asking chairs or chairs elect to attend? Or can it be anybody? And was there any decision made on the CC taking over responsibility for committees, rather than the board? mary From lucindap at comcast.net Sun Nov 18 18:09:20 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:09:20 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4740D430.7080308@comcast.net> Mary Otten wrote: > I'm going to call Sue C and > talk to her about the location for the service auction. I'm really > disappointed that its not at our church and wonder why; space, maybe? Mary, I'm sure Sue';s reason for the auction venue is so it can accommodate more people. I haven't gone for the past two years at our church because of overcrowding and the problem that poses for a wheelchair. > Does anybody have a short reading they'd like to share along with the candle > lighting? I have a short reading I'd like to give. > Cindy, did they do anything at the CC meeting yesterday with regard to > rules on who from the various committees is suppose to attend metings > of that body? i.e. are they asking chairs or chairs elect to attend? For the time being, any representative of a committee will do. They are apparently thinking in terms of cluster groups instead of the full-size council we now have. As to the CC taking over responsibilities for committees, I believe it was decided previously that committees will now make quarterly reports to the CC. Maybe Ken or maria has a better understanding of whether this is still in flux or not. I don;t believe it was addressed directly at Saturday's meeting. Cindy From algaelady at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 19:55:07 2007 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations In-Reply-To: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> References: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006001c82a4f$36924e00$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Hi Cindy, Well thanks for your report... Our auction... our church auction, is at Westminster church? huh. j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:26 PM To: access at uueugene.org Subject: [Access] Salutations Greetings to all. We now have, not only a real committee, but a mailing list as well, thanks to Mary, Martha, and the magic of the Internet! As Jeanne-Marie would say: How cool is THAT? My only relevant news is that I attended the Coordinating Council meeting yesterday morning at church. As it is customary for each committee to have a representative, I named myself the one for our group. It was announced that the new co-chairs for the Social Justice Committee are Jeff Jackson and Gretchen Miller. Much of the discussion involved practical matters, such as the use of the new bulletin board on the wall between the bathrooms on the upper level, the need to keep the AV closet door locked, the importance of turning out lights and locking the doors after a meeting or event, where to get forms for requesting or turning in money, the need for more people to be trained for operating the sound system, etc. There will be a budget workshop in January. The Committee Policies Manual has been revised by Ken Ross and changes were approved, with thanks for his tireless efforts. A report from Sue Craig was read, which stated that the spring auction will be held at the Westminster Presbyterian Church on Coburg Road. maria mentioned it would be good for our committee to check out the accessibility of the building for this. as well as for other events held outside the church. Marilyn and Nisco Junkins plan to attend our December 4th meeting to make an announcement. I spoke briefly to Marilyn, as chair of Membership, about the possibility of having representatives of our two committees attend each other's meetings, as there is clearly an overlap in our interests. She was very open to this idea. /That's all folks! /Cindy Pitcairn _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From lucindap at comcast.net Sun Nov 18 21:03:50 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:03:50 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations In-Reply-To: <006001c82a4f$36924e00$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <4740BBEF.8040701@comcast.net> <006001c82a4f$36924e00$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <4740FD16.8050805@comcast.net> Hi J-M, Westminster Presbyterian has more space than we do, and enough space has been decidedly lacking the last couple of auctions, especially as people tend to move around then more than, say, at a church service. Cindy jeannemarie moore wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > Well thanks for your report... > Our auction... our church auction, is at Westminster church? > huh. > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On > Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:26 PM > To: access at uueugene.org > Subject: [Access] Salutations > > Greetings to all. We now have, not only a real committee, but a mailing list > as well, thanks to Mary, Martha, and the magic of the Internet! As > Jeanne-Marie would say: How cool is THAT? > > My only relevant news is that I attended the Coordinating Council meeting > yesterday morning at church. As it is customary for each committee to have a > representative, I named myself the one for our group. > > It was announced that the new co-chairs for the Social Justice Committee are > Jeff Jackson and Gretchen Miller. > > Much of the discussion involved practical matters, such as the use of the > new bulletin board on the wall between the bathrooms on the upper level, the > need to keep the AV closet door locked, the importance of turning out lights > and locking the doors after a meeting or event, where to get forms for > requesting or turning in money, the need for more people to be trained for > operating the sound system, etc. > > There will be a budget workshop in January. > > The Committee Policies Manual has been revised by Ken Ross and changes were > approved, with thanks for his tireless efforts. > > A report from Sue Craig was read, which stated that the spring auction will > be held at the Westminster Presbyterian Church on Coburg Road. > maria mentioned it would be good for our committee to check out the > accessibility of the building for this. as well as for other events held > outside the church. > > Marilyn and Nisco Junkins plan to attend our December 4th meeting to make an > announcement. I spoke briefly to Marilyn, as chair of Membership, about the > possibility of having representatives of our two committees attend each > other's meetings, as there is clearly an overlap in our interests. She was > very open to this idea. > > /That's all folks! > > /Cindy Pitcairn > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Nov 18 21:00:29 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:00:29 -0800 Subject: [Access] Comforting Thoughts Message-ID: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> Got some room for levity? You might enjoy this: No nursing home for us. We are checking into the Holiday Inn! With the average cost for a nursing home care costing $188.00 per day, there is a better way when we get old & feeble. We have already checked on reservations at the Holiday Inn. For a combined long term stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. That leaves $138.77 a day for: breakfast, lunch and dinner in any restaurant we want, or room service. Laundry, gratuities and special TV movies. Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge and washer-dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have free shampoo and soap. $5 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to help you. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. There is a city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus will also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at one of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. Want to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there too. TV broken? Light bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. They fix everything, and apologize for the inconvenience. The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The maid checks to see if you are ok. If not, they will call the undertaker or an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare will pay for the hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your life. And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad to find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. The grandkids can use the pool. What more can you ask for? So, when we reach that golden age, we'll face it with a grin. Happy Thanksgiving, from David Gilmartin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071118/5bff3241/attachment-0001.html From lucindap at comcast.net Mon Nov 19 18:47:56 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting Message-ID: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy Notes from the Accessibility Group/ /Meeting Tuesday, November 6, 2007 _Present_ : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief check-ins. The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. _Liaison with Facilities Council. _ Ken Ross introduced himself as the liaison member with the Facilities Council (FC) and presented a list of items the FC has completed, is in the process of doing, or plans to do in the future in response to accessibility concerns. Already completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level, the installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted parking spaces. In process is the installation of a new ADA-compliant toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level. Ken asked for further explanation of how recessed door hinges work and said the FC would look into installing them. Some discussion ensued concerning the lighting of the pathway at night and it was agreed that it is the upper part of the path that needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a solar light on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a wheelchair to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van after a service (when no curbside space is available for a van to pull into), it was decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would meet separately to find a solution to this problem, if possible. _Committee Proposal._ Cindy Pitcairn reported that the latest version of a proposal for an Accessibility Committee would be considered by the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting and approval seemed likely. _Installation Ceremony._ Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve Landale to ascertain that he prefers First Christian Church for his installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from our committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. Although the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, advanced planning and communications can alleviate most of them. A report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is appended. Mary will contact Suzanne about our concerns and suggestions. _Communications._ Mary Otten has contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, concerning an access-listserv once we are a committee and have sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn reported she had contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web page, to include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those present supported having a place on the UUCE website for accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff from Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other committees. _Interaction with Other Committees._ d. maria said Nisco Junkins, Membership, would like to see people with disabilities as greeters at Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt strongly that the Shared Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight Committee was an important group through which to influence the future of the church, and that she planned to become involved there. _Accessibility Representation at UUA_. David Gilmartin and Mary Otten reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing people with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee is handling issues of accessibility as part of its new charge." In view of time constraints, the remaining agenda item of discussing committee objectives and tasks for the coming year was postponed until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the sanctuary. The meeting adjourned. / Cindy Pitcairn, scribe/ lucindap at comcast.net ADDENDUM: _Report on Installation Task Force Field Trip_, First Christian Church, October 25, 2007 Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn The Installation service for Rev. Steve Landale as minister of UUCE is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the First Christian Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and presents several challenges in regard to accessibility. The major accessibility problem lies in getting into the sanctuary, which is above street level. There is a wide set of stairs facing Oak and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied. Electric wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, there is a /very/ /long, narrow /passageway, with some turns, into the sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary will help. The ramp is too steep for easy access by manual wheelchair. Those using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with walkers, canes, crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet, should use the very small elevator located on the north side of the sanctuary building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator should have another person accompany them for safety's sake and moral support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator there is another flight of inside steps. Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site guides would all help people find the appropriate entrance. The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated into two areas, for the number of wheelchairs used in our congregation. (Whether there is adequate seating for all who might attend the service is another question.) The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned charm to it and a distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass windows. However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our own, perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU. Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a narrow hall adjacent to the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible stall. The bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two or three at a time (still, better than the situation at UUCE). There is a raised platform along one side of the sanctuary where tea and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the reception after the service. People can either mingle in the crowd on the refreshment dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their refreshments, but this would not provide a very sociable set-up for a reception. There is a large social hall in the basement, but the only access to it will be by stairs or the very small elevator. Those in electric wheelchairs will not be able to attend a reception there. There are advantages to the use of this church for the installation. It is in a central location in downtown Eugene. Parking behind the church and in adjacent lots should be adequate. The minister of the church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding religious leader in Eugene and association of our church with his on this occasion, however tenuous, strikes a positive note. However, from an accessibility point of view, with its confusing layout, it will present distinct challenges. Information disseminated in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements for all doors to be unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate many of the problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for some attending. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071119/05da7dc6/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Mon Nov 19 18:52:05 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:52:05 -0800 Subject: [Access] Comforting Thoughts In-Reply-To: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> References: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47422FB5.2060208@comcast.net> But do they have wheelchair accessible (ADA specifications, please) at those rates? I hear that cruise ships are another possibility. David Gilmartin wrote: > Got some room for levity? You might enjoy this: > > > No nursing home for us. We are checking into the Holiday Inn! > > > With the average cost for a nursing home care costing $188.00 per day, > there is a better way when we get old & feeble. We have already > checked on reservations at the Holiday Inn. For a combined long term > stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. That leaves > $138.77 a day for: breakfast, lunch and dinner in any restaurant we > want, or room service. Laundry, gratuities and special TV movies. > Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge and > washer-dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have > free shampoo and soap. > > > > $5 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to > help you. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. There is a > city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus will > also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). > > > > To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. > > > > For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at one > of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly > somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. > > > > It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will > take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place > forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. Want > to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there too. TV broken? Light > bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. They fix > everything, and apologize for the inconvenience. > > > > The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The maid > checks to see if you are ok. If not, they will call the undertaker or > an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare will pay for the > hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your > life. > > > > And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad > to find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. > > > > The grandkids can use the pool. What more can you ask for? > > > > So, when we reach that golden age, we'll face it with a grin. > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, from David Gilmartin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071119/30b5c521/attachment-0001.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Mon Nov 19 19:11:00 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:11:00 -0800 Subject: [Access] Comforting Thoughts In-Reply-To: <47422FB5.2060208@comcast.net> References: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> <47422FB5.2060208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <541A314C-3370-4908-B20E-2AB1B074E7D5@comcast.net> I think they're required to have a certain percentage of rooms accessible. In the earliest ADA regs, I recollect cruise ships got pretty much of a pass. So many, after all, are foreign flagged. I've not stayed current with this, however. David On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > But do they have wheelchair accessible (ADA specifications, please) > at those rates? I hear that cruise ships are another possibility. > > David Gilmartin wrote: >> >> Got some room for levity? You might enjoy this: >> >> >> No nursing home for us. We are checking into the Holiday Inn! >> >> >> With the average cost for a nursing home care costing $188.00 per >> day, there is a better way when we get old & feeble. We have >> already checked on reservations at the Holiday Inn. For a combined >> long term stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. >> That leaves $138.77 a day for: breakfast, lunch and dinner in any >> restaurant we want, or room service. Laundry, gratuities and >> special TV movies. Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout >> room, a lounge and washer-dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and >> razors, and all have free shampoo and soap. >> >> >> >> $5 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to >> help you. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. There is a >> city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus >> will also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). >> >> >> >> To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. >> >> >> >> For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at >> one of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly >> somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. >> >> >> >> It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will >> take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place >> forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. >> Want to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there too. TV broken? >> Light bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. >> They fix everything, and apologize for the inconvenience. >> >> >> >> The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The >> maid checks to see if you are ok. If not, they will call the >> undertaker or an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare >> will pay for the hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite >> for the rest of your life. >> >> >> >> And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad >> to find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. >> >> >> >> The grandkids can use the pool. What more can you ask for? >> >> >> >> So, when we reach that golden age, we'll face it with a grin. >> >> >> >> Happy Thanksgiving, from David Gilmartin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: >> 11/18/2007 5:15 PM >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071119/d4f8b06a/attachment.html From webmaster at uueugene.org Mon Nov 19 21:14:05 2007 From: webmaster at uueugene.org (UUCE Webmaster) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:14:05 -0800 Subject: [Access] your webpage so far In-Reply-To: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: How does this work for y'all? http://www.uueugene.org/Access.html and of course access at uueugene.org You can have more pages too. If you do, I will want to make the website page titles a little different... such as accessibility minutes activities tips (or "Betcha didn't know THIS") news items (such as not getting served at McDonald's because of a seeing eye dog) what else? Martha On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to > David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any > oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy > > Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting > Tuesday, November 6, 2007 > Present : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie > Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross > Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief > check-ins. > The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071119/455b5689/attachment.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Mon Nov 19 22:28:15 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:28:15 -0800 Subject: [Access] your webpage so far In-Reply-To: References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9521FC78-BBF6-4DD6-A57F-8409D1AB2B16@comcast.net> Thank you, Martha, for this start to a set of website "accessibility" pages. I'm sure we'll have much to add under this heading, some of it quite soon! Speaking of which, are there particular ways in which you prefer or prefer not to have material submitted to you for inclusion? Over time, I hope there will be some integration, interlinks, of website information regarding accessibility, Welcoming Congregation program, newcomer information, Interweave, etc. I'll be pushing some of this out to you and the other committees, I'm sure. I have only a slight change to suggest for the outline/nesting of page titles you suggest below: Accessibility Accessibility Committee Minutes Activities Tips, Q&A, FAQs, Access Etiquette, etc. Resources, links, articles, etc. News . . . As I read what you had put on the page initially, I found myself editing, mentally, in a couple kinds of ways: (1) Stuff in the minutes that has become out-dated for one reason or another; (2) Probably put some kind of note on minutes which have been posted before they are approved; (3) and one legitimate catch -- in the formatting of the last paragraph, "Who to contact and invite . . ." which doesn't put the contactors' names in parentheses as it says it will. Oh, and (4) Spelling of Alicia Hays' name is wrong, list ought to have Rena's last name, and I'm not sure what the question mark next to Rosemary Leen's name means -- is the spelling correct? Thank you, thank you, thank you! David On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:14 PM, UUCE Webmaster wrote: > How does this work for y'all? > > http://www.uueugene.org/Access.html > > and of course > access at uueugene.org > > You can have more pages too. If you do, I will want to make the > website page titles a little different... such as > accessibility > minutes > activities > tips (or "Betcha didn't know THIS") > news items (such as not getting served at McDonald's because of a > seeing eye dog) > what else? > > Martha > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071119/592edff1/attachment-0001.html From webmaster at uueugene.org Mon Nov 19 23:25:00 2007 From: webmaster at uueugene.org (UUCE Webmaster) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:25:00 -0800 Subject: [Access] your webpage so far In-Reply-To: <9521FC78-BBF6-4DD6-A57F-8409D1AB2B16@comcast.net> References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> <9521FC78-BBF6-4DD6-A57F-8409D1AB2B16@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1541059E-B01E-404E-83F6-DC1E5E27A27A@uueugene.org> > Thank you, Martha, for this start to a set of website > "accessibility" pages. I'm sure we'll have much to add under this > heading, some of it quite soon! Speaking of which, are there > particular ways in which you prefer or prefer not to have material > submitted to you for inclusion? If parts of a paragraph need changing, the best way to get it to me is to copy the whole paragraph from the web page, paste it into your email message, make the changes, then send it to me along with the NAME of the page that you got it from. > Over time, I hope there will be some integration, interlinks, of > website information regarding accessibility, Welcoming Congregation > program, newcomer information, Interweave, etc. I'll be pushing > some of this out to you and the other committees, I'm sure. Good Good. I am very open to suggestions. If it will mess anyone up to do it the way you ask, I will explain that and see if I can suggest another option to achieve what you want. > I have only a slight change to suggest for the outline/nesting of > page titles you suggest below: > Accessibility > Accessibility Committee Minutes > Activities > Tips, Q&A, FAQs, Access Etiquette, etc. ---- good good > Resources, links, articles, etc. > News > . . . > > As I read what you had put on the page initially, I found myself > editing, mentally, in a couple kinds of ways: (1) Stuff in the > minutes that has become out-dated for one reason or another; (2) > Probably put some kind of note on minutes which have been posted > before they are approved; (3) and one legitimate catch -- in the > formatting of the last paragraph, "Who to contact and invite . . ." > which doesn't put the contactors' names in parentheses as it says > it will. Oh, and (4) Spelling of Alicia Hays' name is wrong, list > ought to have Rena's last name, and I'm not sure what the question > mark next to Rosemary Leen's name means -- is the spelling correct? Eeeek. Forgive me for putting the latest Minutes up too soon. Let's make a pact that I will not put Minutes up until someone sends me (at webmaster at comcast.net) with a note in the subject line that these "Minutes are ready to upload" to the Accessibilities web page. I will remember, but that means someone on your end has to be in charge of remembering to get it to me. OK? I'm going to remove the latest Minutes and wait till someone gets me the proper ones. > Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm so glad y'all got this committee going. There is so much to learn. Thank YOU ALL. Hugs, Martha . From mariah at efn.org Tue Nov 20 00:49:42 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:49:42 -0800 Subject: [Access] Comforting Thoughts In-Reply-To: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> References: <38A66DF7-7152-419D-89D1-636947BDE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0052e12f81919f43e5bf302e381693c9@efn.org> Now, David, I didn't laugh once... It sounds to me like it could work. How could they stop us? This is a GREAT idea. dm On Nov 18, 2007, at 7:00 PM, David Gilmartin wrote: > Got some room for levity? You might enjoy this: > > > No nursing home for us. We are checking into the Holiday Inn! > > > > With the average cost for a nursing home care costing $188.00 per day, > there is a better way when we get old & feeble. We have already > checked on reservations at the Holiday Inn. For a combined long term > stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. That leaves > $138.77 a day for: breakfast, lunch and dinner in any restaurant we > want, or room service. Laundry, gratuities and special TV movies. > Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge and > washer-dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have > free shampoo and soap. > > ??? > > $5 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to > help?you. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. There is a > city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus will > also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). > > ??? > > To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. > > ??? > > For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at one > of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly > somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. > > ??? > > It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will > take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place > forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. Want > to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there too. TV broken? Light > bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. They fix > everything, and apologize for the inconvenience. > > ??? > > The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The maid > checks to see if you are ok. If not, they will call the undertaker or > an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare will pay for the > hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your > life. > > ??? > > And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad > to?find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. > > ??? > > The grandkids can use the pool.?What more can you ask for? > > ??? > > So, when we reach that golden age, we'll face it with a grin. > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, from David > Gilmartin_______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For a combined long term > stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. That leaves > $138.77 a day for: breakfast, lunch and dinner in any restaurant we > want, or room service. Laundry, gratuities and special TV movies. > Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge and > washer-dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have > free shampoo and soap. > > ??? > > $5 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to > help?you. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. There is a > city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus will > also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). > > ??? > > To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. > > ??? > > For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at one > of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly > somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. > > ??? > > It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will > take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place > forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. Want > to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there too. TV broken? Light > bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. They fix > everything, and apologize for the inconvenience. > > ??? > > The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The maid > checks to see if you are ok. If not, they will call the undertaker or > an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare will pay for the > hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your > life. > > ??? > > And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad > to?find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. > > ??? > > The grandkids can use the pool.?What more can you ask for? > > ??? > > So, when we reach that golden age, we'll face it with a grin. > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, from David > Gilmartin_______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Good suggestions for the order of things and if I wrote the ? it was for lack of spelling. j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:28 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] your webpage so far Thank you, Martha, for this start to a set of website "accessibility" pages. I'm sure we'll have much to add under this heading, some of it quite soon! Speaking of which, are there particular ways in which you prefer or prefer not to have material submitted to you for inclusion? Over time, I hope there will be some integration, interlinks, of website information regarding accessibility, Welcoming Congregation program, newcomer information, Interweave, etc. I'll be pushing some of this out to you and the other committees, I'm sure. I have only a slight change to suggest for the outline/nesting of page titles you suggest below: Accessibility Accessibility Committee Minutes Activities Tips, Q&A, FAQs, Access Etiquette, etc. Resources, links, articles, etc. News . . . As I read what you had put on the page initially, I found myself editing, mentally, in a couple kinds of ways: (1) Stuff in the minutes that has become out-dated for one reason or another; (2) Probably put some kind of note on minutes which have been posted before they are approved; (3) and one legitimate catch -- in the formatting of the last paragraph, "Who to contact and invite . . ." which doesn't put the contactors' names in parentheses as it says it will. Oh, and (4) Spelling of Alicia Hays' name is wrong, list ought to have Rena's last name, and I'm not sure what the question mark next to Rosemary Leen's name means -- is the spelling correct? Thank you, thank you, thank you! David On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:14 PM, UUCE Webmaster wrote: How does this work for y'all? http://www.uueugene.org/Access.html and of course access at uueugene.org You can have more pages too. If you do, I will want to make the website page titles a little different... such as accessibility minutes activities tips (or "Betcha didn't know THIS") news items (such as not getting served at McDonald's because of a seeing eye dog) what else? Martha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071120/05b422fa/attachment-0001.html From webmaster at uueugene.org Tue Nov 20 14:59:01 2007 From: webmaster at uueugene.org (UUCE Webmaster) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:59:01 -0800 Subject: [Access] Salutations Message-ID: <1A32FD85-609A-4CA9-B996-DCC113E95A11@uueugene.org> Suzanne Whaley! Welcome to the Access listserv! Martha From lucindap at comcast.net Tue Nov 20 19:30:53 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:30:53 -0800 Subject: [Access] When scents don't make scents (Cont'd from Chat) Message-ID: <47438A4D.40409@comcast.net> Hi David, I am taking the liberty of posting below most of a message you sent to UU-Chat, because some on this list may not subscribe to Chat. I hope you don't mind. I know you know a lot about this topic and I'd like to talk to you sometime about what is known, if anything, about the mechanisms of action by which chemical sensitivity operates, e.g., is it an auto-immune reaction? is its increasing frequency due to increased (global) environmental pollution? etc. In any case, I hope you will be inspired, when you have time to do so, to expand on this for posting as resource material on our website. It could be an informative and useful essay. Cindy PS Will you be here on the 4th for our committee meeting? I'm thinking probably not, as I believe you said you wanted to spend some time up in Washington. If not, can we find some time to talk about plans for the website?? " . . .a bit more explanation may be helpful. "Avoiding the use of scented products, unfortunately, doesn't cut it, from the point of view of someone who is highly sensitive to scents and wants access to a certain area, such as the church sanctuary. And the reason is, the scents don't stay on one's hands; they evaporate into the air and waft throughout the areas which the user of the scented products has occupied. The same principle applies to perfumes, after-shave lotions, Bounce-type clothing softeners, etc., etc. This is not like getting a rash from a chemical in a soap product, when avoidance is generally enough. The degree of sensitivity is much greater, and the reactions to exposure can be much worse, up to and including anaphylactic shock. So, making a space safe for people who are highly reactive to even small amounts of scents essentially requires people not to wear scented products (or, as few people as possible wearing as little scent as possible) into the designated accessible areas. "Perhaps a good analogy would be tobacco smoke in the air: aside from major ventilation machinery, the accessibility solutions call for a change of behavior on the part of the smoker or scent wearer. Usually, accessibility solutions are much more at a distance from those in direct social interaction with the person whose accessibility is affected; a ramp or elevator are likely to have been designed into a building, for example. But sometimes another person's access to an activity depends on one's own behavior. If someone taking part in a conversation with you asks you to repeat something again, more loudly, for example, would you be likely to ignore the request, or assist that person's ability to participate by acceding to their request?" From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sat Nov 24 19:36:08 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:36:08 -0800 Subject: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting In-Reply-To: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: Folks, These are excellent minutes (aka Notes). I was just looking at our website and I don't see any minutes there. I remind you that Martha Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until someone specifically asked her to. Cheers, Ken >Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to >David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any >oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy > >Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting > >Tuesday, November 6, 2007 > >Present : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie >Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross > >Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief check-ins. > >The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. > >Liaison with Facilities Council. Ken Ross introduced himself as the >liaison member with the Facilities Council (FC) and presented a list >of items the FC has completed, is in the process of doing, or plans >to do in the future in response to accessibility concerns. Already >completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level, the >installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level >bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted >parking spaces. In process is the installation of a new >ADA-compliant toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level. >Ken asked for further explanation of how recessed door hinges work >and said the FC would look into installing them. > >Some discussion ensued concerning the lighting of the pathway at >night and it was agreed that it is the upper part of the path that >needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a solar light >on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a >wheelchair to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van >after a service (when no curbside space is available for a van to >pull into), it was decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would >meet separately to find a solution to this problem, if possible. > >Committee Proposal. Cindy Pitcairn reported that the latest version >of a proposal for an Accessibility Committee would be considered by >the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting and approval seemed >likely. > >Installation Ceremony. Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve >Landale to ascertain that he prefers First Christian Church for his >installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, >head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from our >committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the >task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. >Although the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, >advanced planning and communications can alleviate most of them. A >report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is appended. Mary will >contact Suzanne about our concerns and suggestions. > >Communications. Mary Otten has contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, >concerning an access-listserv once we are a committee and have >sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn reported she had >contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web page, to >include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those >present supported having a place on the UUCE website for >accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring >whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff from >Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other >committees. > >Interaction with Other Committees. d. maria said Nisco Junkins, >Membership, would like to see people with disabilities as greeters >at Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt strongly that the Shared >Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight Committee was an >important group through which to influence the future of the church, >and that she planned to become involved there. > >Accessibility Representation at UUA. David Gilmartin and Mary Otten >reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing people >with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness >Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response >to many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to >Tom Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this >committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee >is handling issues of accessibility as part of its new charge." > >In view of time constraints, the remaining agenda item of discussing >committee objectives and tasks for the coming year was postponed >until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the >sanctuary. > >The meeting adjourned. > >Cindy Pitcairn, scribe >lucindap at comcast.net > > > >ADDENDUM: Report on Installation Task Force Field Trip, First >Christian Church, October 25, 2007 > >Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie >Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn > >The Installation service for Rev. Steve Landale as minister of UUCE >is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the First Christian >Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and >presents several challenges in regard to accessibility. > >The major accessibility problem lies in getting into the sanctuary, >which is above street level. There is a wide set of stairs facing >Oak and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied. Electric >wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern >administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the >top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, >there is a very long, narrow passageway, with some turns, into the >sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary >will help. > >The ramp is too steep for easy access by manual wheelchair. Those >using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with walkers, canes, >crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet, should use >the very small elevator located on the north side of the sanctuary >building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This >elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold >electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator >should have another person accompany them for safety's sake and >moral support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator there >is another flight of inside steps. > >Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site guides would all help >people find the appropriate entrance. > >The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated into two areas, for the >number of wheelchairs used in our congregation. (Whether there is >adequate seating for all who might attend the service is another >question.) > >The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned charm to it and a >distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass windows. >However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our own, >perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU. > >Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a narrow hall adjacent to >the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible stall. The >bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two or >three at a time (still, better than the situation at UUCE). > >There is a raised platform along one side of the sanctuary where tea >and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the reception after >the service. People can either mingle in the crowd on the >refreshment dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their refreshments, but >this would not provide a very sociable set-up for a reception. There >is a large social hall in the basement, but the only access to it >will be by stairs or the very small elevator. Those in electric >wheelchairs will not be able to attend a reception there. > >There are advantages to the use of this church for the installation. >It is in a central location in downtown Eugene. Parking behind the >church and in adjacent lots should be adequate. The minister of the >church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding religious leader in Eugene and >association of our church with his on this occasion, however >tenuous, strikes a positive note. > >However, from an accessibility point of view, with its confusing >layout, it will present distinct challenges. Information >disseminated in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements for all >doors to be unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate many >of the problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for >some attending. > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071124/88d4e9e2/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Nov 24 21:50:47 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:50:47 -0800 Subject: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting In-Reply-To: References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4748F117.3050002@comcast.net> Ken, Thanks for the compliment, all the more meaningful as it comes from someone who has taken more than his share of committee minutes. I'm hesitant to put the notes on the site until they are approved, as I may well have overlooked something or attributed something to someone that they had nothing to do with. (I deliberately called them notes since we were not officially a committee at the time of the meeting. Thenceforth they will be minutes.) Finally, I'd like to begin our web page with a sentence or two of our committee's purpose, meeting schedule, etc. David Gilmartin is eager to put some resource material and links on, so I'm hoping to work with him to come up with a structure that we can present at our meeting on the 4th. Ever seeking order in a chaotic life, Cindy Ken Ross wrote: > Folks, > > These are excellent minutes (aka Notes). I was just looking at our > website and I don't see any minutes there. I remind you that Martha > Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until someone > specifically asked her to. > > Cheers, > > Ken > >> Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to >> David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any >> oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy >> Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting >> Tuesday, November 6, 2007 >> _Present_ : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie >> Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross >> Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief >> check-ins. >> The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. >> _Liaison with Facilities Council._ Ken Ross introduced himself as the >> liaison member with the Facilities Council (FC) and presented a list >> of items the FC has completed, is in the process of doing, or plans >> to do in the future in response to accessibility concerns. Already >> completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level, the >> installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level >> bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted >> parking spaces. In process is the installation of a new ADA-compliant >> toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level. Ken asked for >> further explanation of how recessed door hinges work and said the FC >> would look into installing them. >> Some discussion ensued concerning the lighting of the pathway at >> night and it was agreed that it is the upper part of the path that >> needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a solar light >> on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a wheelchair >> to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van after a >> service (when no curbside space is available for a van to pull into), >> it was decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would meet separately >> to find a solution to this problem, if possible. >> _Committee Proposal._ Cindy Pitcairn reported that the latest version >> of a proposal for an Accessibility Committee would be considered by >> the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting and approval seemed likely. >> _Installation Ceremony._ Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve >> Landale to ascertain that he prefers First Christian Church for his >> installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, >> head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from our >> committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the >> task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. >> Although the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, >> advanced planning and communications can alleviate most of them. A >> report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is appended. Mary will contact >> Suzanne about our concerns and suggestions. >> _Communications._ Mary Otten has contacted our webster, Martha >> Osgood, concerning an access-listserv once we are a committee and >> have sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn reported she had >> contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web page, to >> include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those >> present supported having a place on the UUCE website for >> accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring >> whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff from >> Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other committees. >> _Interaction with Other Committees._ d. maria said Nisco Junkins, >> Membership, would like to see people with disabilities as greeters at >> Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt strongly that the Shared >> Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight Committee was an >> important group through which to influence the future of the church, >> and that she planned to become involved there. >> >> _Accessibility Representation at UUA_. David Gilmartin and Mary Otten >> reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing people >> with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness >> Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to >> many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom >> Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this >> committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee >> is handling issues of accessibility as part of its new charge." >> >> In view of time constraints, the remaining agenda item of discussing >> committee objectives and tasks for the coming year was postponed >> until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the >> sanctuary. >> The meeting adjourned. >> /Cindy Pitcairn, scribe/ >> lucindap at comcast.net >> >> >> ADDENDUM:_ Report on Installation Task Force Field Trip_, First >> Christian Church, October 25, 2007 >> Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie >> Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn >> The Installation service for Rev. Steve Landale as minister of UUCE >> is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the First Christian >> Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and presents >> several challenges in regard to accessibility. >> The major accessibility problem lies in getting into the sanctuary, >> which is above street level. There is a wide set of stairs facing Oak >> and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied. Electric >> wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern >> administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the >> top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, >> there is a/ very long, narrow/ passageway, with some turns, into the >> sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary will >> help. >> The ramp is too steep for easy access by manual wheelchair. Those >> using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with walkers, canes, >> crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet, should use >> the very small elevator located on the north side of the sanctuary >> building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This >> elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold >> electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator >> should have another person accompany them for safety's sake and moral >> support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator there is >> another flight of inside steps. >> Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site guides would all help >> people find the appropriate entrance. >> The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated into two areas, for the >> number of wheelchairs used in our congregation. (Whether there is >> adequate seating for all who might attend the service is another >> question.) >> The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned charm to it and a >> distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass windows. >> However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our own, >> perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU. >> Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a narrow hall adjacent to >> the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible stall. The >> bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two or >> three at a time (still, better than the situation at UUCE). >> There is a raised platform along one side of the sanctuary where tea >> and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the reception after >> the service. People can either mingle in the crowd on the refreshment >> dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their refreshments, but this would >> not provide a very sociable set-up for a reception. There is a large >> social hall in the basement, but the only access to it will be by >> stairs or the very small elevator. Those in electric wheelchairs will >> not be able to attend a reception there. >> There are advantages to the use of this church for the installation. >> It is in a central location in downtown Eugene. Parking behind the >> church and in adjacent lots should be adequate. The minister of the >> church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding religious leader in Eugene and >> association of our church with his on this occasion, however tenuous, >> strikes a positive note. >> However, from an accessibility point of view, with its confusing >> layout, it will present distinct challenges. Information disseminated >> in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements for all doors to be >> unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate many of the >> problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for some >> attending. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > -- > > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone: 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071124/4efd1db3/attachment-0001.html From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sun Nov 25 15:41:37 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:41:37 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items Message-ID: Accessibility Friends, Since your meeting on December 4 is right AFTER our meeting, I thought I would alert you to items on our agenda and where I think things stand with them. These comments are so you can give me input, so that I can help the Facilities Council decide what can and should be done. 1. Today, Leslie Gilbert and I Iooked at the accessibility from the parking area with a focus on wheelchair accessibility via a ramp. We recommend that a five-foot strip be available for this, located as follows: facing the church from the parking lot, it would be just to the right of the church post nearest the street. We would paint this strip yellow, and I would like a sign explaining why. I recommend "Wheelchair Loading Zone." As to the ramp, I favor accepting Cindy's offer to look into a portable ramp. The height of the curb at our recommendation location is about 3 1/2 inches. Because of concerns expressed about parking down near the street, I've been watching that area and haven't seen what appear to be problems. I need to know more what the problems are, and then I need to understand David Gilmartin's ideas of what might be done (signs, cones, etc?). 2. George Koris and I looked at the idea of making the doors to the two more-nearly-ADA-compliant restrooms wider by using recessed door hinges. George is convinced that this would be a major project involving reframing and re-hanging the doors so that they open on the left. George is convinced that we would have to have this work done by a professional. In view of the expenses involved, we feel that we need to be very sure that this change is needed before going forward. 3. This week, Ed Zack is going to look into putting up a solar light near the upper part of the RE pathway, where light is most needed, and he will do so unless there's some unexpected reason why not. Assuming that this will work at all, we can then assess whether more needs to be done to provide adequate lighting down to the RE area. 4. I remind you that we're committed to making a smooth threshold for the entrance to the more-nearly-ADA-compliant restroom in the RE area, when the temperature is high enough. In fact, Ed Zack will take care of this. See you December 4, if not before. Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Sun Nov 25 16:49:43 2007 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:49:43 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think he is misinformed about the door hinges. It should be a simple swap-out of the hinges, of course that will only gain you an inch or two. Ideally, the changing table up there could be moved and then a new, wider doorway created, but that would be a major undertaking. > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:41:37 -0800> To: access at uueugene.org> From: ruthken at pacinfo.com> Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items> > Accessibility Friends,> > Since your meeting on December 4 is right AFTER our meeting, I > thought I would alert you to items on our agenda and where I think > things stand with them. These comments are so you can give me input, > so that I can help the Facilities Council decide what can and should > be done.> > 1. Today, Leslie Gilbert and I Iooked at the accessibility from the > parking area with a focus on wheelchair accessibility via a ramp. We > recommend that a five-foot strip be available for this, located as > follows: facing the church from the parking lot, it would be just to > the right of the church post nearest the street. We would paint this > strip yellow, and I would like a sign explaining why. I recommend > "Wheelchair Loading Zone." As to the ramp, I favor accepting Cindy's > offer to look into a portable ramp. The height of the curb at our > recommendation location is about 3 1/2 inches.> > Because of concerns expressed about parking down near the street, > I've been watching that area and haven't seen what appear to be > problems. I need to know more what the problems are, and then I need > to understand David Gilmartin's ideas of what might be done (signs, > cones, etc?).> > 2. George Koris and I looked at the idea of making the doors to the > two more-nearly-ADA-compliant restrooms wider by using recessed door > hinges. George is convinced that this would be a major project > involving reframing and re-hanging the doors so that they open on the > left. George is convinced that we would have to have this work done > by a professional. In view of the expenses involved, we feel that we > need to be very sure that this change is needed before going forward.> > 3. This week, Ed Zack is going to look into putting up a solar light > near the upper part of the RE pathway, where light is most needed, > and he will do so unless there's some unexpected reason why not. > Assuming that this will work at all, we can then assess whether more > needs to be done to provide adequate lighting down to the RE area.> > 4. I remind you that we're committed to making a smooth threshold > for the entrance to the more-nearly-ADA-compliant restroom in the RE > area, when the temperature is high enough. In fact, Ed Zack will > take care of this.> > See you December 4, if not before.> > Ken> -- > ****************************************************> Ken Ross> ruthken at pacinfo.com> home phone: 541-686-1549> *******************************************************> _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista? + Windows Live?. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071125/88228216/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 19:12:47 2007 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:12:47 -0800 Subject: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting In-Reply-To: References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009f01c82fc9$755d9b60$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Ken, they haven't been approved yet so that's why they aren't up, I'm guessing. j-m, with REEEEEEZING hands _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ross Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:36 PM To: Accessibility group Subject: Re: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting Folks, These are excellent minutes (aka Notes). I was just looking at our website and I don't see any minutes there. I remind you that Martha Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until someone specifically asked her to. Cheers, Ken Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any oversights, mistakes, etc. Cindy Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting Tuesday, November 6, 2007 Present : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief check-ins. The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. Liaison with Facilities Council. Ken Ross introduced himself as the liaison member with the Facilities Council (FC) and presented a list of items the FC has completed, is in the process of doing, or plans to do in the future in response to accessibility concerns. Already completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level, the installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted parking spaces. In process is the installation of a new ADA-compliant toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level. Ken asked for further explanation of how recessed door hinges work and said the FC would look into installing them. Some discussion ensued concerning the lighting of the pathway at night and it was agreed that it is the upper part of the path that needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a solar light on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a wheelchair to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van after a service (when no curbside space is available for a van to pull into), it was decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would meet separately to find a solution to this problem, if possible. Committee Proposal. Cindy Pitcairn reported that the latest version of a proposal for an Accessibility Committee would be considered by the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting and approval seemed likely. Installation Ceremony. Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve Landale to ascertain that he prefers First Christian Church for his installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from our committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. Although the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, advanced planning and communications can alleviate most of them. A report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is appended. Mary will contact Suzanne about our concerns and suggestions. Communications. Mary Otten has contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, concerning an access-listserv once we are a committee and have sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn reported she had contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web page, to include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those present supported having a place on the UUCE website for accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff from Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other committees. Interaction with Other Committees. d. maria said Nisco Junkins, Membership, would like to see people with disabilities as greeters at Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt strongly that the Shared Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight Committee was an important group through which to influence the future of the church, and that she planned to become involved there. Accessibility Representation at UUA. David Gilmartin and Mary Otten reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing people with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee is handling issues of accessibility as part of its new charge." In view of time constraints, the remaining agenda item of discussing committee objectives and tasks for the coming year was postponed until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the sanctuary. The meeting adjourned. Cindy Pitcairn, scribe lucindap at comcast.net ADDENDUM: Report on Installation Task Force Field Trip, First Christian Church, October 25, 2007 Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn The Installation service for Rev. Steve Landale as minister of UUCE is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the First Christian Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and presents several challenges in regard to accessibility. The major accessibility problem lies in getting into the sanctuary, which is above street level. There is a wide set of stairs facing Oak and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied. Electric wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, there is a very long, narrow passageway, with some turns, into the sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary will help. The ramp is too steep for easy access by manual wheelchair. Those using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with walkers, canes, crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet, should use the very small elevator located on the north side of the sanctuary building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator should have another person accompany them for safety's sake and moral support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator there is another flight of inside steps. Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site guides would all help people find the appropriate entrance. The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated into two areas, for the number of wheelchairs used in our congregation. (Whether there is adequate seating for all who might attend the service is another question.) The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned charm to it and a distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass windows. However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our own, perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU. Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a narrow hall adjacent to the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible stall. The bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two or three at a time (still, better than the situation at UUCE). There is a raised platform along one side of the sanctuary where tea and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the reception after the service. People can either mingle in the crowd on the refreshment dais or sit in the pews to enjoy their refreshments, but this would not provide a very sociable set-up for a reception. There is a large social hall in the basement, but the only access to it will be by stairs or the very small elevator. Those in electric wheelchairs will not be able to attend a reception there. There are advantages to the use of this church for the installation. It is in a central location in downtown Eugene. Parking behind the church and in adjacent lots should be adequate. The minister of the church, Dan Bryant, is an outstanding religious leader in Eugene and association of our church with his on this occasion, however tenuous, strikes a positive note. However, from an accessibility point of view, with its confusing layout, it will present distinct challenges. Information disseminated in advance, guides, signs, and arrangements for all doors to be unlocked at the time of the service, will obviate many of the problems, but there are likely to be some frustrations for some attending. _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071125/d644eab9/attachment-0001.html From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sun Nov 25 19:12:29 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:12:29 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might be correct, but I should have given more information. Three complications are: There's precious little space between the door and the wall on the left, and the post supporting the door hinges is part of, or attached to, a beam. I can't explain it any better or visualize it perfectly, but do look at the particular situation when you get a chance again. Also, it's not a "simple swap-out," because the recessed hinges are a different size than the old current ones. Frankly, I'd like to get George to look at the installation at Cindy's, since Cindy offered. I'd be happy to go look, but I don't understand building and construction issues well enough to benefit much. Best wishes, Ken >I think he is misinformed about the door hinges. It should be a >simple swap-out of the hinges, of course that will only gain you an >inch or two. Ideally, the changing table up there could be moved >and then a new, wider doorway created, but that would be a major >undertaking. > >> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:41:37 -0800 >> To: access at uueugene.org >> From: ruthken at pacinfo.com >> Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items >> >> Accessibility Friends, >> >> Since your meeting on December 4 is right AFTER our meeting, I >> thought I would alert you to items on our agenda and where I think >> things stand with them. These comments are so you can give me input, >> so that I can help the Facilities Council decide what can and should >> be done. >> >> 1. Today, Leslie Gilbert and I Iooked at the accessibility from the >> parking area with a focus on wheelchair accessibility via a ramp. We >> recommend that a five-foot strip be available for this, located as >> follows: facing the church from the parking lot, it would be just to >> the right of the church post nearest the street. We would paint this >> strip yellow, and I would like a sign explaining why. I recommend >> "Wheelchair Loading Zone." As to the ramp, I favor accepting Cindy's >> offer to look into a portable ramp. The height of the curb at our >> recommendation location is about 3 1/2 inches. >> >> Because of concerns expressed about parking down near the street, >> I've been watching that area and haven't seen what appear to be >> problems. I need to know more what the problems are, and then I need >> to understand David Gilmartin's ideas of what might be done (signs, >> cones, etc?). >> >> 2. George Koris and I looked at the idea of making the doors to the >> two more-nearly-ADA-compliant restrooms wider by using recessed door >> hinges. George is convinced that this would be a major project >> involving reframing and re-hanging the doors so that they open on the >> left. George is convinced that we would have to have this work done >> by a professional. In view of the expenses involved, we feel that we >> need to be very sure that this change is needed before going forward. >> >> 3. This week, Ed Zack is going to look into putting up a solar light >> near the upper part of the RE pathway, where light is most needed, >> and he will do so unless there's some unexpected reason why not. >> Assuming that this will work at all, we can then assess whether more >> needs to be done to provide adequate lighting down to the RE area. >> >> 4. I remind you that we're committed to making a smooth threshold >> for the entrance to the more-nearly-ADA-compliant restroom in the RE >> area, when the temperature is high enough. In fact, Ed Zack will >> take care of this. >> >> See you December 4, if not before. >> >> Ken >> -- >> **************************************************** >> Ken Ross >> ruthken at pacinfo.com >> home phone: 541-686-1549 >> ******************************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > >Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. >Power >up! > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071125/c7b477b8/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Mon Nov 26 18:39:25 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:39:25 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474B673D.90805@comcast.net> Leslie, I agree. In fact, I KNOW it is just a simple swap out. I've had it done on two doors in my house by a friend. I invite anyone to come to my house to see them in action. Cindy leslie gilbert wrote: > I think he is misinformed about the door hinges. It should be a > simple swap-out of the hinges, of course that will only gain you an > inch or two. Ideally, the changing table up there could be moved and > then a new, wider doorway created, but that _would_ be a major > undertaking. > > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:41:37 -0800 > > To: access at uueugene.org > > From: ruthken at pacinfo.com > > Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items > > > > Accessibility Friends, > > > > Since your meeting on December 4 is right AFTER our meeting, I > > thought I would alert you to items on our agenda and where I think > > things stand with them. These comments are so you can give me input, > > so that I can help the Facilities Council decide what can and should > > be done. > > > > 1. Today, Leslie Gilbert and I Iooked at the accessibility from the > > parking area with a focus on wheelchair accessibility via a ramp. We > > recommend that a five-foot strip be available for this, located as > > follows: facing the church from the parking lot, it would be just to > > the right of the church post nearest the street. We would paint this > > strip yellow, and I would like a sign explaining why. I recommend > > "Wheelchair Loading Zone." As to the ramp, I favor accepting Cindy's > > offer to look into a portable ramp. The height of the curb at our > > recommendation location is about 3 1/2 inches. > > > > Because of concerns expressed about parking down near the street, > > I've been watching that area and haven't seen what appear to be > > problems. I need to know more what the problems are, and then I need > > to understand David Gilmartin's ideas of what might be done (signs, > > cones, etc?). > > > > 2. George Koris and I looked at the idea of making the doors to the > > two more-nearly-ADA-compliant restrooms wider by using recessed door > > hinges. George is convinced that this would be a major project > > involving reframing and re-hanging the doors so that they open on the > > left. George is convinced that we would have to have this work done > > by a professional. In view of the expenses involved, we feel that we > > need to be very sure that this change is needed before going forward. > > > > 3. This week, Ed Zack is going to look into putting up a solar light > > near the upper part of the RE pathway, where light is most needed, > > and he will do so unless there's some unexpected reason why not. > > Assuming that this will work at all, we can then assess whether more > > needs to be done to provide adequate lighting down to the RE area. > > > > 4. I remind you that we're committed to making a smooth threshold > > for the entrance to the more-nearly-ADA-compliant restroom in the RE > > area, when the temperature is high enough. In fact, Ed Zack will > > take care of this. > > > > See you December 4, if not before. > > > > Ken > > -- > > **************************************************** > > Ken Ross > > ruthken at pacinfo.com > > home phone: 541-686-1549 > > ******************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > > Access mailing list > > Access at uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org > > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM > From lucindap at comcast.net Mon Nov 26 18:54:19 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:54:19 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474B6ABB.1070003@comcast.net> Ken, It's true you may need to lengthen the area on the post where the hinge is attached and if that can't be done without detaching the post, that might be a problem. I don't recall that the person who did it for me had to detach the framing to make the enlargement but it was some time ago and I'm not sure. You do need approx. two inches between the door and the wall, so maybe that could be a problem. I'd be glad to have George come over and look at mine. Cindy Ken Ross wrote: > You might be correct, but I should have given more information. Three > complications are: There's precious little space between the door and > the wall on the left, and the post supporting the door hinges is part > of, or attached to, a beam. I can't explain it any better or > visualize it perfectly, but do look at the particular situation when > you get a chance again. Also, it's not a "simple swap-out," because > the recessed hinges are a different size than the old current ones. > > Frankly, I'd like to get George to look at the installation at > Cindy's, since Cindy offered. I'd be happy to go look, but I don't > understand building and construction issues well enough to benefit > much. Best wishes, Ken > >> I think he is misinformed about the door hinges. It should be a >> simple swap-out of the hinges, of course that will only gain you an >> inch or two. Ideally, the changing table up there could be moved and >> then a new, wider doorway created, but that_ would_ be a major >> undertaking. >> >> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:41:37 -0800 >> > To: access at uueugene.org >> > From: ruthken at pacinfo.com >> > Subject: [Access] Accessibility/Facilities items >> > >> > Accessibility Friends, >> > >> > Since your meeting on December 4 is right AFTER our meeting, I >> > thought I would alert you to items on our agenda and where I think >> > things stand with them. These comments are so you can give me input, >> > so that I can help the Facilities Council decide what can and should >> > be done. >> > >> > 1. Today, Leslie Gilbert and I Iooked at the accessibility from the >> > parking area with a focus on wheelchair accessibility via a ramp. We >> > recommend that a five-foot strip be available for this, located as >> > follows: facing the church from the parking lot, it would be just to >> > the right of the church post nearest the street. We would paint this >> > strip yellow, and I would like a sign explaining why. I recommend >> > "Wheelchair Loading Zone." As to the ramp, I favor accepting Cindy's >> > offer to look into a portable ramp. The height of the curb at our >> > recommendation location is about 3 1/2 inches. >> > >> > Because of concerns expressed about parking down near the street, >> > I've been watching that area and haven't seen what appear to be >> > problems. I need to know more what the problems are, and then I need >> > to understand David Gilmartin's ideas of what might be done (signs, >> > cones, etc?). >> > >> > 2. George Koris and I looked at the idea of making the doors to the >> > two more-nearly-ADA-compliant restrooms wider by using recessed door >> > hinges. George is convinced that this would be a major project >> > involving reframing and re-hanging the doors so that they open on the >> > left. George is convinced that we would have to have this work done >> > by a professional. In view of the expenses involved, we feel that we >> > need to be very sure that this change is needed before going forward. >> > >> > 3. This week, Ed Zack is going to look into putting up a solar light >> > near the upper part of the RE pathway, where light is most needed, >> > and he will do so unless there's some unexpected reason why not. >> > Assuming that this will work at all, we can then assess whether more >> > needs to be done to provide adequate lighting down to the RE area. >> > >> > 4. I remind you that we're committed to making a smooth threshold >> > for the entrance to the more-nearly-ADA-compliant restroom in the RE >> > area, when the temperature is high enough. In fact, Ed Zack will >> > take care of this. >> > >> > See you December 4, if not before. >> > >> > Ken >> > -- >> > **************************************************** >> > Ken Ross >> > ruthken at pacinfo.com >> > home phone: 541-686-1549 >> > ******************************************************* >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Access mailing list >> > Access at uueugene.org >> > http://www.uueugene.org >> > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > -- > > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone: 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM > From maryotten at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 11:55:52 2007 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:55:52 -0800 Subject: [Access] Rev Steve's proposal for the rectption at first Christian Message-ID: This was sent by the Rev to the task force doing planning for his installation. I'd like to give this a total thumbs up on behalf of our committee. But I want to make sure that this would be ok with you all. This seems like the best outcome we could hope for IMHO. Mary Hi all, At a meeting at First Christian yesterday, I spoke with Rev. Dan Bryant further about options for the reception. I am thinking we could split the reception between the sanctuary and the social hall downstairs. He said coffee, tea, crackers and cookies could be served upstairs, but not sandwiches or more elaborate foods... though he thought it would be fine if a few were brought upstairs for those unable to go downstairs. The Interfaith services have their receptions in the sanctuaries, he said. I walked around the space and thought this option would work well. I would be glad to do my meeting and greeting, at least to start, upstairs. That might counter-balance the attraction of the greater availability of food downstairs! Having two reception areas, not far apart, might work well anyway for a group this large. Gives the introverts an excuse to walk out of one large crowded room and have a breather in the hallway before going into another. I am not in favor of a separate location for the reception. I've been to too many Sunday afternoon installations to know that few if any local interfaith guests or out-of-town UUs would drive to the reception, rather than drive home. The few who would drive to UUCE might then have to park far away, at night, assuming they could find the place. I think it's an important aspect of hospitality in this case to provide food and an opportunity for 20 minutes of schmoozing on-site. Some may stay longer. How about we sit with this possibility over the holidays and talk about it when we meet. Thank you everybody! Happy Thanksgiving! Steve Bonnie Romane wrote: Not to worry! You will totally groove on the purple velour suit! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Landale To: Suzanne Whaley ; Romane, Bonnie Cc: Bonnie Romane ; Diane Wooldridge ; Julia Knowles ; Landale Steve ; Mary Otten ; Rachel Cummings Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: Re: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, 2007 Julia, stay on speaking terms with the Rev. I think you've got a good start on whatever needs to be done (and whoever needs to be recruited) for the actual service. Remember to remind Steve that much as he would like to wear jeans and Birkenstocks for the service we much prefer the purple velour suit with the ruffled shirt. I'm sure he'll understand. What, I miss a meeting, and this sort of thing is decided for me??? Steve Suzanne Whaley wrote: Bonnie, thanks for the offer of the conference room at your office. Since we definitely want to have Steve in attendance (at least once in a while :-) )it looks like church is the place. Room 5 is available and has been reserved for us. Meanwhile, maybe we can do some planning and/or organizing via e-mail. Mary, we're interested in any other things you can make us aware of in addition to those you shared with us via Steve. Bonnie, publicity is the major activity going on at the moment. Let us know how we can help. Diane and Rachel, keep your imaginations and creative juices flowing. Sometimes it just feels like the Junior Prom all over again what with themes, decorations, making sure no one spikes the punch, etc. Stay in touch, and we'll see each other on December 4, at 5:40. Suzanne On Nov 16, 2007 8:49 AM, Romane, Bonnie wrote: Thanks, Suzanne. I've got this on my calendar. I am also happy to offer the conference room at my office as a meeting place, if that helps. My office is located near Valley River (behind Red Robin & Marie Callender restaurants). Just a thought. . . thanks! --------------------------------- From: Suzanne Whaley [mailto:suzanne.whaley at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:53 PM To: Bonnie Romane; Diane Wooldridge; Julia Knowles; Landale Steve; Mary Otten; Rachel Cummings; Romane, Bonnie; Suzanne Whaley Subject: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, 2007 Hello everyone, It sounded as though December 4th (Tuesday) will work best for most of us, so let's plan to gather at church at 5:40. I'll see what room will be available and let you all know. Suzanne Rev. Stephen A. Landale The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene 477 East 40th Ave. Eugene, OR 97405 541/686-2775 office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. Rev. Stephen A. Landale The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene 477 East 40th Ave. Eugene, OR 97405 541/686-2775 office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. From lucindap at comcast.net Tue Nov 27 16:35:51 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:51 -0800 Subject: [Access] Rev Steve's proposal for the rectption at first Christian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474C9BC7.2000404@comcast.net> Mary, This sounds fine to me--a sensible solution, not ideal, of course, but what ever is? Cindy Mary Otten wrote: > This was sent by the Rev to the task force doing planning for his > installation. I'd like to give this a total thumbs up on behalf of our > committee. But I want to make sure that this would be ok with you all. > This seems like the best outcome we could hope for IMHO. > > Mary > > Hi all, > > At a meeting at First Christian yesterday, I spoke with Rev. Dan Bryant > further about options for the reception. I am thinking we could split > the reception between the sanctuary and the social hall downstairs. He > said coffee, tea, crackers and cookies could be served upstairs, but > not sandwiches or more elaborate foods... though he thought it would be > fine if a few were brought upstairs for those unable to go downstairs. > The Interfaith services have their receptions in the sanctuaries, he > said. > > I walked around the space and thought this option would work well. I > would be glad to do my meeting and greeting, at least to start, > upstairs. That might counter-balance the attraction of the greater > availability of food downstairs! Having two reception areas, not far > apart, might work well anyway for a group this large. Gives the > introverts an excuse to walk out of one large crowded room and have a > breather in the hallway before going into another. > > I am not in favor of a separate location for the reception. I've been > to too many Sunday afternoon installations to know that few if any > local interfaith guests or out-of-town UUs would drive to the > reception, rather than drive home. The few who would drive to UUCE > might then have to park far away, at night, assuming they could find > the place. I think it's an important aspect of hospitality in this > case to provide food and an opportunity for 20 minutes of schmoozing > on-site. Some may stay longer. > > How about we sit with this possibility over the holidays and talk about > it when we meet. > > Thank you everybody! Happy Thanksgiving! > > Steve > > Bonnie Romane wrote: Not to worry! > You will totally groove on the purple velour suit! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Landale > To: Suzanne Whaley ; Romane, Bonnie > Cc: Bonnie Romane ; Diane Wooldridge ; Julia Knowles ; Landale > Steve ; Mary Otten ; Rachel Cummings > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, > 2007 > > > Julia, stay on speaking terms with the Rev. I think you've got a > good start on whatever needs to be done (and whoever needs to be > recruited) for the actual service. Remember to remind Steve that > much as he would like to wear jeans and Birkenstocks for the service > we much prefer the purple velour suit with the ruffled shirt. I'm > sure he'll understand. > > > What, I miss a meeting, and this sort of thing is decided for > me??? > > Steve > > Suzanne Whaley wrote: > > Bonnie, thanks for the offer of the conference room at your > office. Since we definitely want to have Steve in attendance (at > least once in a while :-) )it looks like church is the place. Room > 5 is available and has been reserved for us. Meanwhile, maybe we > can do some planning and/or organizing via e-mail. > > Mary, we're interested in any other things you can make us aware > of in addition to those you shared with us via Steve. > > Bonnie, publicity is the major activity going on at the moment. Let > us know how we can help. > > Diane and Rachel, keep your imaginations and creative juices > flowing. Sometimes it just feels like the Junior Prom all over > again what with themes, decorations, making sure no one spikes the > punch, etc. > > > Stay in touch, and we'll see each other on December 4, at 5:40. > > Suzanne > > On Nov 16, 2007 8:49 AM, Romane, Bonnie > wrote: > Thanks, Suzanne. I've got this on my calendar. I > am also happy to offer the conference room at my office as a > meeting place, if that helps. My office is located near Valley > River (behind Red Robin & Marie Callender restaurants). Just a > thought. . . thanks! > > > --------------------------------- > From: Suzanne Whaley [mailto:suzanne.whaley at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:53 PM > To: Bonnie Romane; Diane Wooldridge; Julia Knowles; Landale > Steve; Mary Otten; Rachel Cummings; Romane, Bonnie; Suzanne > Whaley > Subject: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, > 2007 > > > > Hello everyone, > It sounded as though December 4th (Tuesday) will work best for > most of us, so let's plan to gather at church at 5:40. I'll > see what room will be available and let you all know. > > Suzanne > > > > > > > > Rev. Stephen A. Landale > The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene > 477 East 40th Ave. > Eugene, OR 97405 > 541/686-2775 > office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning > > Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. > > > Rev. Stephen A. Landale > The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene > 477 East 40th Ave. > Eugene, OR 97405 > 541/686-2775 > office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning > > Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. > > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From algaelady at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 23:49:57 2007 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:49:57 -0800 Subject: [Access] Rev Steve's proposal for the rectption at first Christian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007a01c83182$82d5d360$6401a8c0@TheMachine> I guess so. j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:56 AM To: access at uueugene.org Subject: [Access] Rev Steve's proposal for the rectption at first Christian This was sent by the Rev to the task force doing planning for his installation. I'd like to give this a total thumbs up on behalf of our committee. But I want to make sure that this would be ok with you all. This seems like the best outcome we could hope for IMHO. Mary Hi all, At a meeting at First Christian yesterday, I spoke with Rev. Dan Bryant further about options for the reception. I am thinking we could split the reception between the sanctuary and the social hall downstairs. He said coffee, tea, crackers and cookies could be served upstairs, but not sandwiches or more elaborate foods... though he thought it would be fine if a few were brought upstairs for those unable to go downstairs. The Interfaith services have their receptions in the sanctuaries, he said. I walked around the space and thought this option would work well. I would be glad to do my meeting and greeting, at least to start, upstairs. That might counter-balance the attraction of the greater availability of food downstairs! Having two reception areas, not far apart, might work well anyway for a group this large. Gives the introverts an excuse to walk out of one large crowded room and have a breather in the hallway before going into another. I am not in favor of a separate location for the reception. I've been to too many Sunday afternoon installations to know that few if any local interfaith guests or out-of-town UUs would drive to the reception, rather than drive home. The few who would drive to UUCE might then have to park far away, at night, assuming they could find the place. I think it's an important aspect of hospitality in this case to provide food and an opportunity for 20 minutes of schmoozing on-site. Some may stay longer. How about we sit with this possibility over the holidays and talk about it when we meet. Thank you everybody! Happy Thanksgiving! Steve Bonnie Romane wrote: Not to worry! You will totally groove on the purple velour suit! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Landale To: Suzanne Whaley ; Romane, Bonnie Cc: Bonnie Romane ; Diane Wooldridge ; Julia Knowles ; Landale Steve ; Mary Otten ; Rachel Cummings Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: Re: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, 2007 Julia, stay on speaking terms with the Rev. I think you've got a good start on whatever needs to be done (and whoever needs to be recruited) for the actual service. Remember to remind Steve that much as he would like to wear jeans and Birkenstocks for the service we much prefer the purple velour suit with the ruffled shirt. I'm sure he'll understand. What, I miss a meeting, and this sort of thing is decided for me??? Steve Suzanne Whaley wrote: Bonnie, thanks for the offer of the conference room at your office. Since we definitely want to have Steve in attendance (at least once in a while :-) )it looks like church is the place. Room 5 is available and has been reserved for us. Meanwhile, maybe we can do some planning and/or organizing via e-mail. Mary, we're interested in any other things you can make us aware of in addition to those you shared with us via Steve. Bonnie, publicity is the major activity going on at the moment. Let us know how we can help. Diane and Rachel, keep your imaginations and creative juices flowing. Sometimes it just feels like the Junior Prom all over again what with themes, decorations, making sure no one spikes the punch, etc. Stay in touch, and we'll see each other on December 4, at 5:40. Suzanne On Nov 16, 2007 8:49 AM, Romane, Bonnie wrote: Thanks, Suzanne. I've got this on my calendar. I am also happy to offer the conference room at my office as a meeting place, if that helps. My office is located near Valley River (behind Red Robin & Marie Callender restaurants). Just a thought. . . thanks! --------------------------------- From: Suzanne Whaley [mailto:suzanne.whaley at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:53 PM To: Bonnie Romane; Diane Wooldridge; Julia Knowles; Landale Steve; Mary Otten; Rachel Cummings; Romane, Bonnie; Suzanne Whaley Subject: NEXT INSTALLATION TASK FORCE MEETING: DECEMBER 4, 2007 Hello everyone, It sounded as though December 4th (Tuesday) will work best for most of us, so let's plan to gather at church at 5:40. I'll see what room will be available and let you all know. Suzanne Rev. Stephen A. Landale The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene 477 East 40th Ave. Eugene, OR 97405 541/686-2775 office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. Rev. Stephen A. Landale The Unitarian Universalist Church in Eugene 477 East 40th Ave. Eugene, OR 97405 541/686-2775 office hours Tuesday morning, Wednesday afternoon, Friday morning Scripture is everywhere... pay attention. _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Wed Nov 28 15:31:49 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:31:49 -0800 Subject: [Access] Minutes for Nov. 6th meeting In-Reply-To: References: <47422EBC.1010803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <853cc2e64de131ec2a529b77f7a27566@efn.org> Cindy, a small correction to the minutes: I believe i said (or meant to say) that Nisco was the person who scheduled and trained greeters & ushers, and PROBABLY would be delighted to have disabled people as greeters. thnx,,, don't want Nisco thinking I'm speaking for her. The rest of the minutes match my memory and look good to me. Thanks for doing them. dm On Nov 24, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Ken Ross wrote: > Folks, > > These are excellent minutes (aka Notes).? I was just looking at our > website and I don't see any minutes there.? I remind you that Martha > Osgood indicated that she wouldn't put any up until someone > specifically asked her to. > > Cheers, > > Ken > >> Below, at last, are the "minutes" for our meeting, with thanks to >> David for his notes on the last bit. Please let me know of any >> oversights, mistakes, etc.?? Cindy >> Notes from the Accessibility Group Meeting >> Tuesday, November 6, 2007 >> Present : d. maria, Leslie Gilbert, David Gilmartin, Jeanne-Marie >> Moore, Mary Otten, Cindy Pitcairn, Ken Ross >> Candle-lighting and words by David Gilmartin were followed by brief >> check-ins. >> The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. >> Liaison with Facilities Council. Ken Ross introduced himself as the >> liaison member with the Facilities Council (FC) and presented a list >> of items the FC has completed, is in the process of doing, or plans >> to do in the future in response to accessibility concerns. Already >> completed are the new concrete pathway to the lower level, the >> installation of an ADA-compliant toilet in one of the lower level >> bathrooms, a storage box for Braille hymnals, and two new restricted >> parking spaces. In process is the installation of a new ADA-compliant >> toilet in a one of the bathrooms on the upper level. Ken asked for >> further explanation of how recessed door hinges work and said the FC >> would look into installing them. >> Some discussion ensued concerning the lighting of the pathway at >> night and it was agreed that it is the upper part of the path that >> needs lights. The FC will look into the possibility of a solar light >> on a post. After discussing ways to make it possible for a wheelchair >> to gain access to the parking lot for loading onto a van after a >> service (when no curbside space is available for a van to pull into), >> it was decided that Leslie Gilbert and Ken Ross would meet separately >> to find a solution to this problem, if possible. >> Committee Proposal. Cindy Pitcairn reported that the latest version >> of a proposal for an Accessibility Committee would be considered by >> the UUCE Board at its November 8th meeting and approval seemed >> likely. >> Installation Ceremony. Jeanne-Marie Moore has contacted Rev. Steve >> Landale to ascertain that he prefers First Christian Church for his >> installation ceremony, and Mary Otten has contacted Suzanne Whaley, >> head of the Installation Task Force, concerning input from our >> committee. As a result, Leslie Gilbert and Cindy Pitcairn joined the >> task force on October 25th for a tour of First Christian Church. >> Although the church presents a variety of accessibility challenges, >> advanced planning and communications can alleviate most of them. A >> report on the visit by Cindy Pitcairn is appended.? Mary will contact >> Suzanne about our concerns and suggestions. >> Communications. Mary Otten has contacted our webster, Martha Osgood, >> concerning an access-listserv once we are a committee and have >> sufficient subscribers (8-10). Cindy Pitcairn reported she had >> contacted Martha on the establishment of a committee web page, to >> include accessibility tips and other educational material. Those >> present supported having a place on the UUCE website for >> accessibility information. David Gilmartin suggested exploring >> whether it would make sense for it to be combined with stuff from >> Welcoming Congregations (Interweave), Membership, or other >> committees. >> Interaction with Other Committees. d. maria said Nisco Junkins, >> Membership, would like to see people with disabilities as greeters at >> Sunday services. Jeanne-Marie Moore felt strongly that the Shared >> Values Task Force of the Building Project Oversight Committee was an >> important group through which to influence the future of the church, >> and that she planned to become involved there. >> >> Accessibility Representation at UUA. David Gilmartin and Mary Otten >> reported that Arthur Tackman and CJ McGregor, representing people >> with disabilities, were added to the Journey Toward Wholeness >> Transformation Committee by the UUA Board of Trustees. In response to >> many expressed concerns, the Board, later next year, according to Tom >> Loughrey, PSWD Trustee, "will be inviting leadership of this >> committee to meet with us to discuss specifically how the committee >> is handling issues of accessibility as part of its new charge."In >> view of time constraints, the remaining agenda item of discussing >> committee objectives and tasks for the coming year was postponed >> until the next meeting, Tuesday, December 4th, at 7:00 pm in the >> sanctuary. >> The meeting adjourned. >> Cindy Pitcairn, scribe >> lucindap at comcast.net >> ADDENDUM: Report on Installation Task Force Field Trip, First >> Christian Church, October 25, 2007 >> Attending: Suzanne Whaley, Rachel Cummings, Julia Knowles, Bonnie >> Romane, Leslie Gilbert, Cindy Pitcairn >> The Installation service for Rev. Steve Landale as minister of UUCE >> is scheduled for 4 pm on January 27, 2008 at the First Christian >> Church, 1166 Oak Street, Eugene. This is an older church and presents >> several challenges in regard to accessibility. >> The major accessibility problem lies in getting into the sanctuary, >> which is above street level. There is a wide set of stairs facing Oak >> and leading into the sanctuary for the able-bodied. Electric >> wheelchairs will need to go up the ramp into the more modern >> administrative building attached to the sanctuary. The door at the >> top of the ramp will need to be unlocked. Once inside this building, >> there is a very long, narrow passageway, with some turns, into the >> sanctuary. Signs and guides to indicate the way to the sanctuary will >> help. >> The ramp is too steep for easy access by manual wheelchair. Those >> using manual wheelchairs, as well as those with walkers, canes, >> crutches, weak knees or hips, or unsteady on their feet, should use >> the very small elevator located on the north side of the sanctuary >> building. The door to this entrance will need to be unlocked. This >> elevator holds no more than three standing people. It will not hold >> electric wheelchairs. (In my opinion, anyone using the elevator >> should have another person accompany them for safety's sake and moral >> support in case of elevator failure.)Near the elevator there is >> another flight of inside steps. >> Maps, signs, advance publicity, and on-site guides would all help >> people find the appropriate entrance. >> The sanctuary has adequate space, segregated into two areas, for the >> number of wheelchairs used in our congregation. (Whether there is >> adequate seating for all who might attend the service is another >> question.) >> The sanctuary has a certain old-fashioned charm to it and a >> distinctly Christian feel, with a cross and stained glass windows. >> However, it also has a large peace flag and with emblems of our own, >> perhaps our banner, it will feel more UU. >> Men's and women's bathrooms are located in a narrow hall adjacent to >> the sanctuary. They each have a handicap-accessible stall. The >> bathrooms are small and probably can accomodate no more than two or >> three at a time (still, better than the situation at UUCE). >> There is a raised platform along one side of the sanctuary where tea >> and coffee and hand-held food can be served for the reception after >> the service. People can either mingle in