[Access] Ken Ross needs your input

[Ken Ross]

Cindy,

I double-checked with Dirk, and he was indeed talking about the west 
restroom, furthest from the front door.  But I will look into both 
restrooms --- IF I can understand the ADA guidelines, which I'm going 
to check into right now.

Ken

>Ken,
>
>I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion. 
>However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, 
>the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder is 
>in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom Dirk 
>was talking about?  The fact that he says "above the higher grab bar 
>also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe the other 
>bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm forwarding the ADA 
>guidelines via another e-mail.
>
>Cindy
>
>
>
>Ken Ross wrote:
>
>>Ken Ross needs your input
>>Accessibility and Facilities Friends,
>>
>>I received the following request:
>>
>>5 December 2007 
>>     Re: Bathroom, west, main floor
>>     I bought and gave to the church   2 "grab bars for the west 
>>bathroom.  The "grab bars" are installed.  I am a user.  With a 
>>request.  The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and 
>>are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:  place 
>>the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict 
>>the use of the grab bars.   In the present position, the toilet 
>>paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the 
>>grab bars.  The placement of the paper holder in its present 
>>position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars.
>>     Dirk P. Ten Brinke
>>
>>The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant 
>>toilet.  In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time 
>>member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking 
>>stick.  I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible 
>>solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about 
>>six inches to the left of its present location.  In further 
>>communication with Dirk, he objected because
>>
>>   the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; 
>>(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as  the 
>>position of many holders seems to suggest.  Lots of toilet paper 
>>holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.)
>>
>>Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the 
>>right beyond the higher grab bar.  I checked this idea out this 
>>morning.  I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it 
>>would be a stretch.  Would some of you be able to check whether 
>>that change would make things worse for other users?
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>PS:  I don't think this is an urgent item.  Dirk indicated that he 
>>had donated the grab bars.  When I asked him who installed them, he 
>>responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been 
>>before your time."  Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 
>>1989.  Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing.
>>--
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