[Access] Ken Ross needs your input

[Ken Ross]

This sounds like a good strategy.  I'll work on it!  Ken

>Ken,
>
>Sounds like it might be worth measuring the placements, heights, 
>etc. of grab bars and toilet paper holders in both bathrooms, and 
>adjusting in either bathroom if necessary to meet the ADA guidelines.
>
>David
>
>
>On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote:
>
>>Ken, 
>>
>>I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion. 
>>However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, 
>>the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder 
>>is in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom 
>>Dirk was talking about?  The fact that he says "above the higher 
>>grab bar also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe 
>>the other bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm 
>>forwarding the ADA guidelines via another e-mail.
>>
>>Cindy
>>
>>
>>
>>Ken Ross wrote:
>>
>>>Accessibility and Facilities Friends,
>>>
>>>I received the following request:
>>>
>>>5 December 2007 
>>>     Re: Bathroom, west, main floor
>>>     I bought and gave to the church   2 "grab bars for the west 
>>>bathroom.  The "grab bars" are installed.  I am a user.  With a 
>>>request.  The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, 
>>>and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: 
>>>place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not 
>>>restrict the use of the grab bars.   In the present position, the 
>>>toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the 
>>>use of the grab bars.  The placement of the paper holder in its 
>>>present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the 
>>>grab bars.
>>>     Dirk P. Ten Brinke
>>>
>>>The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant 
>>>toilet.  In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time 
>>>member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking 
>>>stick.  I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible 
>>>solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about 
>>>six inches to the left of its present location.  In further 
>>>communication with Dirk, he objected because
>>>
>>>   the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; 
>>>(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as 
>>>the position of many holders seems to suggest.  Lots of toilet 
>>>paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.)
>>>
>>>Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to 
>>>the right beyond the higher grab bar.  I checked this idea out 
>>>this morning.  I would be able to reach it that far forward, but 
>>>it would be a stretch.  Would some of you be able to check whether 
>>>that change would make things worse for other users?
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>PS:  I don't think this is an urgent item.  Dirk indicated that he 
>>>had donated the grab bars.  When I asked him who installed them, 
>>>he responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been 
>>>before your time."  Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined 
>>>in 1989.  Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair 
>>>hearing.
>>>
>
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