[Access] Ken Ross needs your input

[David Gilmartin]

Ken,

Sounds like it might be worth measuring the placements, heights, etc.  
of grab bars and toilet paper holders in both bathrooms, and adjusting  
in either bathroom if necessary to meet the ADA guidelines.

David


On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion.  
> However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs,  
> the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder is  
> in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom Dirk  
> was talking about?  The fact that he says "above the higher grab bar  
> also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe the other  
> bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm forwarding the ADA  
> guidelines via another e-mail.
>
> Cindy
>
>
>
> Ken Ross wrote:
>>
>> Accessibility and Facilities Friends,
>>
>> I received the following request:
>>
>> 5 December 2007
>>     Re: Bathroom, west, main floor
>>     I bought and gave to the church   2 "grab bars for the west  
>> bathroom.  The "grab bars" are installed.  I am a user.  With a  
>> request.  The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and  
>> are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:  place  
>> the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict  
>> the use of the grab bars.   In the present position, the toilet  
>> paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the  
>> grab bars.  The placement of the paper holder in its present  
>> position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars.
>>     Dirk P. Ten Brinke
>>
>> The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant  
>> toilet.  In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time  
>> member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking  
>> stick.  I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible  
>> solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about  
>> six inches to the left of its present location.  In further  
>> communication with Dirk, he objected because
>>
>>   the holder should be well forward of the shoulder;
>> (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as  the  
>> position of many holders seems to suggest.  Lots of toilet paper  
>> holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.)
>>
>> Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the  
>> right beyond the higher grab bar.  I checked this idea out this  
>> morning.  I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it  
>> would be a stretch.  Would some of you be able to check whether  
>> that change would make things worse for other users?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> PS:  I don't think this is an urgent item.  Dirk indicated that he  
>> had donated the grab bars.  When I asked him who installed them, he  
>> responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been  
>> before your time."  Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in  
>> 1989.  Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing.
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