[Access] Ken Ross needs your input

[d. maria]

At U3 in Roseburg they have a TP holder that is free standing on the 
side of the toilet away from the wall.  If it is not well placed for 
you, you can move it before you sit down and the rolls are real easy to 
replace... in fact, if i remember correctly, it hold several rolls at 
once.  Maybe one of these for each bathroom would be the best solution. 
  Kind of a designer TP holder.  dm
On Dec 9, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Ken Ross wrote:

> Accessibility and Facilities Friends,
>
> I received the following request:
>
> 5 December 2007 
>     Re: Bathroom, west, main floor
>     I bought and gave to the church   2 "grab bars for the west 
> bathroom.  The "grab bars" are installed.  I am a user.  With a 
> request.  The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and 
> are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:  place the 
> toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the use 
> of the grab bars.   In the present position, the toilet paper holder 
> blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab bars.  The 
> placement of the paper holder in its present position can block the 
> arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars.
>     Dirk P. Ten Brinke
>
> The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant 
> toilet.  In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member 
> of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick.  I 
> saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to 
> move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the 
> left of its present location.  In further communication with Dirk, he 
> objected because
>
>   the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; 
> (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as  the 
> position of many holders seems to suggest.  Lots of toilet paper 
> holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.)
>
> Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the 
> right beyond the higher grab bar.  I checked this idea out this 
> morning.  I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would 
> be a stretch.  Would some of you be able to check whether that change 
> would make things worse for other users?
>
> Ken
>
> PS:  I don't think this is an urgent item.  Dirk indicated that he had 
> donated the grab bars.  When I asked him who installed them, he 
> responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before 
> your time."  Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989.  
> Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing.
> -- 
>
>
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