[Access] Ken Ross needs your input

[David Gilmartin]

Ken,
I will look up what the ADA Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG)  
recommend, and pass the information along. Dirk's request "that the  
paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars" makes sense,  
but I think it means we have to consider the locations of both the  
bars and the holder, and their locations in relation to the toilet, if  
we want a solution that is ADA compliant. I'll put that information in  
the mix as quickly as I can.
David G.


On Dec 9, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Ken Ross wrote:

> I received the following request:
>
> 5 December 2007
>     Re: Bathroom, west, main floor
>     I bought and gave to the church   2 "grab bars for the west  
> bathroom.  The "grab bars" are installed.  I am a user.  With a  
> request.  The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and  
> are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:  place the  
> toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the  
> use of the grab bars.   In the present position, the toilet paper  
> holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab  
> bars.  The placement of the paper holder in its present position can  
> block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars.
>     Dirk P. Ten Brinke
>
> The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant  
> toilet.  In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member  
> of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick.  I  
> saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was  
> to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to  
> the left of its present location.  In further communication with  
> Dirk, he objected because
>
>   the holder should be well forward of the shoulder;
> (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as  the  
> position of many holders seems to suggest.  Lots of toilet paper  
> holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.)
>
> Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the  
> right beyond the higher grab bar.  I checked this idea out this  
> morning.  I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would  
> be a stretch.  Would some of you be able to check whether that  
> change would make things worse for other users?
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