From lucindap at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 14:06:21 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:06:21 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Tomorrow Evening's Meeting Message-ID: <475461BD.8010000@comcast.net> I'm hoping this storm blows over so you'll all feel like coming to the first Accessibility Committee meeting tomorrow evening at 7 pm in the Sanctuary. Here is the tentative agenda. We hope to get a lot accomplished and consequently have allotted time slots to help move us along. But note that there will be an opportunity to give your input and adjust items and times before we embark. *Tentative Agenda* December 4, 2007 Candle-lighting and Reading (3 minutes) - Cindy Brief Check-ins (5 minutes) Public Service Announcement (5 minutes) - Nisco Committee Procedures - David (10 minutes) Agenda Items and Time Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes) Old Business Report on Facilities Council Efforts - Ken (10 minutes) Report on Installation Plans - Mary (10 minutes) Listserv and Web Page Uses- 10 minutes Break (5 minutes) New Business (40 minutes) Brainstorming on committee's future directions (40 minutes) Liaisons with other committees Educational efforts Events (educational, fun, fund-raising) Calendaring Action Items (TBD) Volunteer for short reading at next meeting Date of next meeting (January 8th) Brief check-outs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071203/a08647d7/attachment.html From algaelady at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 14:22:18 2007 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:22:18 -0800 Subject: [Access] Agenda for Tomorrow Evening's Meeting In-Reply-To: <475461BD.8010000@comcast.net> References: <475461BD.8010000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009501c835ea$33fff150$6401a8c0@TheMachine> I'll do the reading on the eighth if no one else has any brimming desire to do so. j-m. _____ From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Lucinda Pitcairn Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:06 PM To: Accessibility group; Marilyyn Junkins; Nisco Junkins Subject: [Access] Agenda for Tomorrow Evening's Meeting I'm hoping this storm blows over so you'll all feel like coming to the first Accessibility Committee meeting tomorrow evening at 7 pm in the Sanctuary. Here is the tentative agenda. We hope to get a lot accomplished and consequently have allotted time slots to help move us along. But note that there will be an opportunity to give your input and adjust items and times before we embark. Tentative Agenda December 4, 2007 Candle-lighting and Reading (3 minutes) - Cindy Brief Check-ins (5 minutes) Public Service Announcement (5 minutes) - Nisco Committee Procedures - David (10 minutes) Agenda Items and Time Adjustments - Mary (5 minutes) Old Business Report on Facilities Council Efforts - Ken (10 minutes) Report on Installation Plans - Mary (10 minutes) Listserv and Web Page Uses- 10 minutes Break (5 minutes) New Business (40 minutes) Brainstorming on committee's future directions (40 minutes) Liaisons with other committees Educational efforts Events (educational, fun, fund-raising) Calendaring Action Items (TBD) Volunteer for short reading at next meeting Date of next meeting (January 8th) Brief check-outs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071203/849aa430/attachment.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 19:53:42 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:53:42 -0800 Subject: [Access] New list member Message-ID: This is to let everyone know that Kara Black is being added to the Access listserv. Kara is the Special Needs Liaison for the Bellingham Unitarian Fellowship. Her email address is . And the email address for participation in this listserv is . Let's go for it! Kara, welcome to our electronic gathering spot. As it happens, tonight is the night we are actually having a meeting at the church. And I think our main item of business tonight is thinking through our committee purpose in terms of programs and activities we might take on. Part brainstorming, part organizing. I hope you will give our committee folk an email introduction to who you are, and that they will welcome you similarly. More later, David G. From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 12:25:04 2007 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:25:04 -0800 Subject: [Access] bad news Message-ID: I just had a note from Suzanne stating that Central Pres is not available. they rent their church out to somebody else on sunday afternoons. Oh well. It was good of the committee and rev. landale to be flexible Mary From algaelady at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 12:45:17 2007 From: algaelady at gmail.com (jeannemarie moore) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:45:17 -0800 Subject: [Access] bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501c8376e$fb3d54d0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Oh that is disappointing... darn it! If I can think of another place... I wonder about Westminster because that's where the auction is, and people could be acquainted with it for the second event? j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:25 AM To: access at uueugene.org Subject: [Access] bad news I just had a note from Suzanne stating that Central Pres is not available. they rent their church out to somebody else on sunday afternoons. Oh well. It was good of the committee and rev. landale to be flexible Mary _______________________________________________ Access mailing list Access at uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Wed Dec 5 17:22:22 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:22:22 -0800 Subject: [Access] bad news In-Reply-To: <003501c8376e$fb3d54d0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <003501c8376e$fb3d54d0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <1e178e1478c9fcda96c8d88fb1947f96@efn.org> good idea! dm On Dec 5, 2007, at 10:45 AM, jeannemarie moore wrote: > Oh that is disappointing... darn it! > If I can think of another place... I wonder about Westminster because > that's > where the auction is, and people could be acquainted with it for the > second > event? > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] > On > Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:25 AM > To: access at uueugene.org > Subject: [Access] bad news > > I just had a note from Suzanne stating that Central Pres is not > available. > they rent their church out to somebody else on sunday afternoons. Oh > well. > It was good of the committee and rev. landale to be flexible > > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From maryotten at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:31:24 2007 From: maryotten at earthlink.net (Mary Otten) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:31:24 -0800 Subject: [Access] bad news In-Reply-To: <1e178e1478c9fcda96c8d88fb1947f96@efn.org> Message-ID: There was an agreement at last night's installation task force meeting that they would look into Central Pres. Someone or maybe more than one started naming other possible churches. And after a little discussion, under the pressure of deadlines and also, I think the rev's very busy schedule, all agreed that they would try central Pres, but that if that was not available, they'd stick with first christian, see about possibly using an additional room on the first floor plus the area already discussed on the first floor. And if that does not prove feasible, then the reception will have to be split between up and downstairs. They have a bunch of stuff to do on that committee, like getting invitations printed and maps and word out to various folks from out of town etc. Already, had the location been changed, some repeat work was going to have to be done in terms of notifying people who had been told that the event would take place at First Christian. They really are aware of the undesirability of that basement situation and the inside stairs being steep. This is a case of do the best you can with what you have and learn that when planning events away from church, accessibility considerations need to get in the game right from the start. and that is why developing a reasonable, but not exhaustive, list of accessibility considerations is a very good idea for us. mary From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Thu Dec 6 02:20:32 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:20:32 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility checklists Message-ID: <1E73D911-A781-4BC0-A59B-8F6F479C38D3@comcast.net> The URL for the accessibility checklist on the UUA website is: http://www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/26842.shtml Here are a couple in which I had a hand in developing: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was good of the committee and rev. landale to > be flexible > > Mary > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From lucindap at comcast.net Thu Dec 6 17:31:19 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessibility checklists In-Reply-To: <1E73D911-A781-4BC0-A59B-8F6F479C38D3@comcast.net> References: <1E73D911-A781-4BC0-A59B-8F6F479C38D3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47588647.1060104@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ORIGIN late 17th cent.: from Latin navis 'ship.' Ken >The URL for the accessibility checklist on the UUA website is: > >http://www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/26842.shtml > > >Here are a couple in which I had a hand in developing: > > >Attachment converted: RUTH'S IMAC:Survey Checklist.xls (XLS8/XCEL) (00365DC0) >Attachment converted: RUTH'S IMAC:PSWDSurvey.doc (W8BN/MSWD) (00365DC1) > > > >Additionally, I have this information about the National >Organization on Disability's Accessible Congregations Campaign: > > >Attachment converted: RUTH'S IMAC:NOD Accessible Congregati.doc >(W8BN/MSWD) (00365DC2) > > > >And this earlier (draft) version of the UUA checklist: > > >Attachment converted: RUTH'S IMAC:Accessibility Checkl#365DC3.pdf >(PDF /CARO) (00365DC3) >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They appear to be pretty long but I am not sure what they are... thanks. j-m. -----Original Message----- From: access-bounces at uueugene.org [mailto:access-bounces at uueugene.org] On Behalf Of David Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:21 AM To: group Accessibility Subject: [Access] Accessibility checklists The URL for the accessibility checklist on the UUA website is: http://www.uua.org/leaders/leaderslibrary/accessibility/disability101/26842. shtml Here are a couple in which I had a hand in developing: From ruthken at pacinfo.com Sun Dec 9 18:26:56 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:26:56 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input Message-ID: Accessibility and Facilities Friends, I received the following request: 5 December 2007 Re: Bathroom, west, main floor I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. Dirk P. Ten Brinke The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the left of its present location. In further communication with Dirk, he objected because the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether that change would make things worse for other users? Ken PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989. 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URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071209/0d1195bb/attachment.html From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Sun Dec 9 18:56:32 2007 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:56:32 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd meet with you again if you want to take a look Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:26:56 -0800To: access at uueugene.org; fuller.ann at gmail.com; kaeserr at earthlink.net; ddecou at comcast.net; dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu; edwinzack at earthlink.net; gkoris at comcast.net; gatbabrb at msn.com; jkstevens1 at juno.com; kayser_j at msn.com; ruthken at pacinfo.com; kylia at basicisp.net; make_it_spliffy at yahoo.comFrom: ruthken at pacinfo.comSubject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input Accessibility and Facilities Friends, I received the following request: 5 December 2007 Re: Bathroom, west, main floor I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. Dirk P. Ten Brinke The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the left of its present location. In further communication with Dirk, he objected because the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether that change would make things worse for other users? Ken PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing.-- ****************************************************Ken Rossruthken at pacinfo.comhome phone: 541-686-1549******************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.? Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071209/10fc2f6d/attachment.html From gkoris at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 19:26:27 2007 From: gkoris at comcast.net (George Koris) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:26:27 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input References: Message-ID: <006201c83acb$b07af780$c4e1ab43@george2v9jjqjg> Ken Ross needs your inputFYI, Dirk donated the bars maybe six or seven years ago--perhaps a bit more--and I installed them at that time. Peace be to you, George Koris ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Ross To: access at uueugene.org ; fuller.ann at gmail.com ; kaeserr at earthlink.net ; ddecou at comcast.net ; dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu ; edwinzack at earthlink.net ; gkoris at comcast.net ; gatbabrb at msn.com ; jkstevens1 at juno.com ; kayser_j at msn.com ; ruthken at pacinfo.com ; kylia at basicisp.net ; make_it_spliffy at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Ken Ross needs your input Accessibility and Facilities Friends, I received the following request: 5 December 2007 Re: Bathroom, west, main floor I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. Dirk P. Ten Brinke The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the left of its present location. In further communication with Dirk, he objected because the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether that change would make things worse for other users? Ken PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing. -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071209/d3684027/attachment-0001.html From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 21:15:16 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:15:16 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D636488-FA32-45EA-9136-28AEA85932AD@comcast.net> Ken, I will look up what the ADA Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG) recommend, and pass the information along. Dirk's request "that the paper holder does not restrict the use of the grab bars" makes sense, but I think it means we have to consider the locations of both the bars and the holder, and their locations in relation to the toilet, if we want a solution that is ADA compliant. I'll put that information in the mix as quickly as I can. David G. On Dec 9, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Ken Ross wrote: > I received the following request: > > 5 December 2007 > Re: Bathroom, west, main floor > I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west > bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a > request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and > are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place the > toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the > use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet paper > holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab > bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present position can > block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. > Dirk P. Ten Brinke > > The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant > toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member > of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I > saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was > to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to > the left of its present location. In further communication with > Dirk, he objected because > > the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; > (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the > position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper > holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) > > Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the > right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this > morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would > be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether that > change would make things worse for other users? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071210/b927dfb3/attachment.html From ruthken at pacinfo.com Mon Dec 10 17:21:12 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:12 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: <38213ba00712101104u187650d1k407e0fd722a053a@mail.gmail.com> References: <006201c83acb$b07af780$c4e1ab43@george2v9jjqjg> <38213ba00712101104u187650d1k407e0fd722a053a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. It's the west restroom which is furthest from the front door. Ken At 11:04 -0800 12/10/07, Ann Fuller wrote: >Hello, All, > >I'll look at the proposed re-position of the TP holder and get back >to you. We're talking about the lavatory nearest to the front door. >Is that correct? > >Ann > >On Dec 9, 2007 5:26 PM, George Koris ><gkoris at comcast.net> wrote: > >FYI, Dirk donated the bars maybe six or seven years ago--perhaps a >bit more--and I installed them at that time. > > > > > >Peace be to you, > > > >George Koris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ken Ross >To: access at uueugene.org ; > fuller.ann at gmail.com ; >kaeserr at earthlink.net ; >ddecou at comcast.net ; >dchintz at oregon.uoregon.edu ; > edwinzack at earthlink.net ; >gkoris at comcast.net ; >gatbabrb at msn.com ; >jkstevens1 at juno.com ; >kayser_j at msn.com ; > ruthken at pacinfo.com ; >kylia at basicisp.net ; > make_it_spliffy at yahoo.com >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:26 PM >Subject: Ken Ross needs your input > >Accessibility and Facilities Friends, > >I received the following request: > >5 December 2007 > Re: Bathroom, west, main floor > I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west >bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a >request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and >are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place the >toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the >use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet paper >holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab >bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present position can >block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. > Dirk P. Ten Brinke > >The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant >toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member >of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick. I >saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was >to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to >the left of its present location. In further communication with >Dirk, he objected because > > the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; >(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the >position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper >holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) > >Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the >right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this >morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would >be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether that >change would make things worse for other users? > >Ken > >PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he >had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he >responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been >before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in >1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing. >-- >**************************************************** >Ken Ross >ruthken at pacinfo.com >home phone: 541-686-1549 >******************************************************* -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071210/7bc0710b/attachment.html From mariah at efn.org Mon Dec 10 17:32:34 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:32:34 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22e41f1f7a57ae27423edf82ff639e9d@efn.org> At U3 in Roseburg they have a TP holder that is free standing on the side of the toilet away from the wall. If it is not well placed for you, you can move it before you sit down and the rolls are real easy to replace... in fact, if i remember correctly, it hold several rolls at once. Maybe one of these for each bathroom would be the best solution. Kind of a designer TP holder. dm On Dec 9, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Ken Ross wrote: > Accessibility and Facilities Friends, > > I received the following request: > > 5 December 2007? > ??? Re: Bathroom, west, main floor > ??? I bought and gave to the church?? 2 "grab bars for the west > bathroom.? The "grab bars" are installed.? I am a user.? With a > request.? The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and > are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request:? place the > toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict the use > of the grab bars.?? In the present position, the toilet paper holder > blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the grab bars.? The > placement of the paper holder in its present position can block the > arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. > ??? Dirk P. Ten Brinke > > The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant > toilet.? In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time member > of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking stick.? I > saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible solution was to > move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about six inches to the > left of its present location.? In further communication with Dirk, he > objected because > > ? the holder should be well forward of the shoulder;? > (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as? the > position of?many?holders seems to?suggest.? Lots of toilet paper > holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) > > Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the > right beyond the higher grab bar.? I checked this idea out this > morning.? I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it would > be a stretch.? Would some of you be able to check whether that change > would make things worse for other users? > > Ken > > PS:? I don't think this is an urgent item.? Dirk indicated that he had > donated the grab bars.? When I asked him who installed them, he > responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been before > your time."? Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in 1989.? > Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing. > -- > > > **************************************************** > Ken Ross > ruthken at pacinfo.com > home phone:? 541-686-1549 > ******************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3289 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071210/46578605/attachment-0001.bin From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 19:15:14 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:15:14 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: <475DC307.1000309@comcast.net> References: <475DC307.1000309@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ken, Sounds like it might be worth measuring the placements, heights, etc. of grab bars and toilet paper holders in both bathrooms, and adjusting in either bathroom if necessary to meet the ADA guidelines. David On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Ken, > > I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion. > However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, > the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder is > in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom Dirk > was talking about? The fact that he says "above the higher grab bar > also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe the other > bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm forwarding the ADA > guidelines via another e-mail. > > Cindy > > > > Ken Ross wrote: >> >> Accessibility and Facilities Friends, >> >> I received the following request: >> >> 5 December 2007 >> Re: Bathroom, west, main floor >> I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west >> bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a >> request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and >> are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place >> the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict >> the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet >> paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the >> grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present >> position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. >> Dirk P. Ten Brinke >> >> The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant >> toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time >> member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking >> stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible >> solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about >> six inches to the left of its present location. In further >> communication with Dirk, he objected because >> >> the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; >> (I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the >> position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper >> holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) >> >> Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the >> right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this >> morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it >> would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether >> that change would make things worse for other users? >> >> Ken >> >> PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he >> had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he >> responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been >> before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in >> 1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071210/33157c11/attachment.html From ruthken at pacinfo.com Mon Dec 10 19:36:22 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:36:22 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: References: <475DC307.1000309@comcast.net> Message-ID: This sounds like a good strategy. I'll work on it! Ken >Ken, > >Sounds like it might be worth measuring the placements, heights, >etc. of grab bars and toilet paper holders in both bathrooms, and >adjusting in either bathroom if necessary to meet the ADA guidelines. > >David > > >On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > >>Ken, >> >>I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion. >>However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, >>the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder >>is in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom >>Dirk was talking about? The fact that he says "above the higher >>grab bar also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe >>the other bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm >>forwarding the ADA guidelines via another e-mail. >> >>Cindy >> >> >> >>Ken Ross wrote: >> >>>Accessibility and Facilities Friends, >>> >>>I received the following request: >>> >>>5 December 2007 >>> Re: Bathroom, west, main floor >>> I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west >>>bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a >>>request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, >>>and are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: >>>place the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not >>>restrict the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the >>>toilet paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the >>>use of the grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its >>>present position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the >>>grab bars. >>> Dirk P. Ten Brinke >>> >>>The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant >>>toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time >>>member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking >>>stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible >>>solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about >>>six inches to the left of its present location. In further >>>communication with Dirk, he objected because >>> >>> the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; >>>(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as >>>the position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet >>>paper holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) >>> >>>Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to >>>the right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out >>>this morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but >>>it would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether >>>that change would make things worse for other users? >>> >>>Ken >>> >>>PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he >>>had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, >>>he responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been >>>before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined >>>in 1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair >>>hearing. >>> > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071210/51e81913/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 13:28:19 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:28:19 -0800 Subject: [Access] Error in Sunday's Insert Schedule Message-ID: <475EE4D3.9000901@comcast.net> An Accessibility Committee Meeting was erroneously listed as being tonight in last Sunday's insert schedule. It was last week. The next meeting is January 8th and everyone is welcome to come then! Cindy Pitcairn From ruthken at pacinfo.com Wed Dec 12 09:54:17 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Access] Ken Ross needs your input In-Reply-To: <475DC307.1000309@comcast.net> References: <475DC307.1000309@comcast.net> Message-ID: Cindy, I double-checked with Dirk, and he was indeed talking about the west restroom, furthest from the front door. But I will look into both restrooms --- IF I can understand the ADA guidelines, which I'm going to check into right now. Ken >Ken, > >I just now got to my e-mail so I'm late in joining this discussion. >However, I have noticed since you put the new toilet in upstairs, >the grab rails in that bathroom are now too low and the TP holder is >in an awkward position. Are you sure this is not the bathroom Dirk >was talking about? The fact that he says "above the higher grab bar >also would suggest it is that bathroom he means--I believe the other >bathroom has only one grab bar? In any case, I'm forwarding the ADA >guidelines via another e-mail. > >Cindy > > > >Ken Ross wrote: > >>Ken Ross needs your input >>Accessibility and Facilities Friends, >> >>I received the following request: >> >>5 December 2007 >> Re: Bathroom, west, main floor >> I bought and gave to the church 2 "grab bars for the west >>bathroom. The "grab bars" are installed. I am a user. With a >>request. The Newsletter indicates that changes have been made, and >>are being made, to the bathrooms, so I make this request: place >>the toilet paper holder so that the paper holder does not restrict >>the use of the grab bars. In the present position, the toilet >>paper holder blocks certain positions of the arm, in the use of the >>grab bars. The placement of the paper holder in its present >>position can block the arm and defeat the purpose of the grab bars. >> Dirk P. Ten Brinke >> >>The restroom in question is not the one with the new ADA-compliant >>toilet. In case you don't know, Dirk is an elderly long-time >>member of the church, sings in the choir, and uses a cane/walking >>stick. I saw no good solution, but I figured the only possible >>solution was to move the "toilet paper holder" (TP holder) about >>six inches to the left of its present location. In further >>communication with Dirk, he objected because >> >> the holder should be well forward of the shoulder; >>(I don't know anyone with hands coming out of the shoulder, as the >>position of many holders seems to suggest. Lots of toilet paper >>holders are in a dumb positions in terms of function.) >> >>Then he gave me his proposal: move the "toilet paper holder" to the >>right beyond the higher grab bar. I checked this idea out this >>morning. I would be able to reach it that far forward, but it >>would be a stretch. Would some of you be able to check whether >>that change would make things worse for other users? >> >>Ken >> >>PS: I don't think this is an urgent item. Dirk indicated that he >>had donated the grab bars. When I asked him who installed them, he >>responded that he didn't remember but that it "might have been >>before your time." Ruth and I started coming in 1987 and joined in >>1989. Nevertheless, I want to give Dirk's request a fair hearing. >>-- >> >>**************************************************** >>Ken Ross >>ruthken at pacinfo.com >>home phone: 541-686-1549 >>******************************************************* >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Access mailing list >>Access at uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org >>http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> >> >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: >>12/9/2007 11:06 AM >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Access mailing list >Access at uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org >http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071212/0e813cac/attachment.html From ruthken at pacinfo.com Wed Dec 12 10:22:20 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:22:20 -0800 Subject: [Access] UUCE grab bars issue Message-ID: Folks, I have studied the ADA Bathroom Guidelines, and here is what I understand. 1. Assuming an ADA-compliant toilet (east restroom nearest front door), the grab bar(s) should be 33-36 inches above the floor. If only one, it should start within an inch or so opposite the back of the toilet seat. Nothing is said about placement of the toilet paper dispenser, but one is pictured just below the grab bar starting two or three inches beyond the front of the toilet --- PROBLEM: It looks like a normal-size dispenser and our fancy dispenser is about twice the size, vertically, so that placing it below the grab bar is likely TOO low for everyone. 2. For the non-ADA-compliant toilet (west restroom furthest from front door), I would lower the grab bars two or three inches, i.e., aim for 31-34 inches above the floor. Same problem with the toilet paper dispenser. With this information, I will look at the restrooms later this morning and see what makes most sense. I'm leaving in about 25 minutes (at 8:45), so I probably won't benefit from much input from you folks. Of course, I won't actually make any changes or decision this morning. Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From ruthken at pacinfo.com Wed Dec 12 14:43:14 2007 From: ruthken at pacinfo.com (Ken Ross) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:43:14 -0800 Subject: [Access] grab bars, etc at church Message-ID: Folks, Well, I did the measurements in our main-floor restrooms, and I used the ADA Bathroom Guidelines to see what would work best for us. 1. West restroom, furthest from front door, with non-ADA-compliant toilet. The horizontal bar is 31" above the floor, which is reasonable for the non-ADA-compliant toilet. In theory, it should be moved 8" back (to the left), but in fact it's a short grab bar and that would make things worse, in my opinion. My recommendation is to leave the bars where they are, but move the toilet paper dispenser to below the horizontal grab bar, and while we're at it, move it 5-6" to the right (away from the toilet). Then the toilet paper would be about 20" from the floor, which seems okay to me and not unusually low (I stopped at Market of Choice on the way home). I have stuck a piece of masking tape to indicate where the toilet roll would go, if my recommendation were followed. 2. East restroom, nearest to the front door, with ADA-compliant toilet. The horizontal grab bar is indeed too low, and needs to be raised about 6". The toilet paper dispenser should then be placed below the horizonal grab bar and moved 10-12" to the left (away from the toilet). The net effect would be to lower it about 13", leaving it 26-30" from the floor (I forgot to do the last measurement). I have stuck a piece of masking tape to indicate where the toilet roll would go, if these changes were made. If you're greatly interested in this project, please look to see where the toilet paper rolls would be after the alterations and let me know if you see any problem, by next Monday if possible. Ken -- **************************************************** Ken Ross ruthken at pacinfo.com home phone: 541-686-1549 ******************************************************* From lucindap at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 15:00:58 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:00:58 -0800 Subject: [Access] grab bars, etc at church In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47604C0A.7080408@comcast.net> Ken, As one who has used the grab bars in both bathrooms for transferring, both your suggestions sound just right and will be a definite improvement. I'll check out your tape markings Saturday. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this. Cindy Ken Ross wrote: > Folks, > > Well, I did the measurements in our main-floor restrooms, and I used > the ADA Bathroom Guidelines to see what would work best for us. > > 1. West restroom, furthest from front door, with non-ADA-compliant > toilet. The horizontal bar is 31" above the floor, which is > reasonable for the non-ADA-compliant toilet. In theory, it should be > moved 8" back (to the left), but in fact it's a short grab bar and > that would make things worse, in my opinion. My recommendation is to > leave the bars where they are, but move the toilet paper dispenser to > below the horizontal grab bar, and while we're at it, move it 5-6" to > the right (away from the toilet). Then the toilet paper would be > about 20" from the floor, which seems okay to me and not unusually > low (I stopped at Market of Choice on the way home). I have stuck a > piece of masking tape to indicate where the toilet roll would go, if > my recommendation were followed. > > 2. East restroom, nearest to the front door, with ADA-compliant > toilet. The horizontal grab bar is indeed too low, and needs to be > raised about 6". The toilet paper dispenser should then be placed > below the horizonal grab bar and moved 10-12" to the left (away from > the toilet). The net effect would be to lower it about 13", leaving > it 26-30" from the floor (I forgot to do the last measurement). I > have stuck a piece of masking tape to indicate where the toilet roll > would go, if these changes were made. > > If you're greatly interested in this project, please look to see > where the toilet paper rolls would be after the alterations and let > me know if you see any problem, by next Monday if possible. > > Ken > From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 13:22:10 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:22:10 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #1 Message-ID: <4762D7E2.5090509@comcast.net> Accessibility Matters Our new Accessibility Committee is a friendly group with a goal of ensuring that our church and church events are accessible to everyone. We meet this month on Tuesday, January 8th, at 7 pm in the Sanctuary. Please join us and find out what we are about and how you might use the committee, or contribute to it, as a valuable resource to our church community. Everyone is welcome! We'll be posting our agenda and minutes on our new web page at http//www.uueugene.org/Access/home.html and please consider joining our listserv mailing list at access at uueugene.org. From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 13:35:03 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:35:03 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 Message-ID: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> Accessibility Tip Ask first: "Would you like help? how may I assist you?" and remember that one disabled person does not represent all disabled persons. Don't give up attempts to make connections. From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 13:57:23 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:57:23 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #3 Message-ID: <4762E023.3050601@comcast.net> Kim, Sorry I missed the 11 am deadline on the three items I'm sending for the newsletter! Cindy Kudos to the Facilities Council Again! Have you noticed that our new pathway to the lower level is now well lit for evening meetings and our wheelchair-accessible bathrooms are becoming more so all the time. The Accessibility Committee, on behalf of all of us--disabled, partially able-bodied, and temporarily able-bodied, sends special thanks to Ken Ross, Bob Kaeser, George Koris and Ed Zack for their responsiveness to our suggestions and the extra effort involved. From maryotten at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 17:18:01 2007 From: maryotten at comcast.net (mary otten) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:18:01 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 In-Reply-To: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> References: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> that's definitely a good one. are they letting you put two things in? mary----- source message ----- from: Lucinda Pitcairn to: UUEUGENE , Accessibility group , Martha Osgood date: 2007/12/14 19:35:45 subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 > > > Accessibility Tip > > Ask first: "Would you like help? how may I assist you?" and remember > that one disabled person does not represent all disabled persons. Don't > give up attempts to make connections. > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From mariah at efn.org Fri Dec 14 20:34:54 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:34:54 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 In-Reply-To: <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> References: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Cindy, I like them both very much. Very warm and welcoming. dm On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:18 PM, mary otten wrote: > that's definitely a good one. are they letting you put two things in? > mary----- source message ----- > from: Lucinda Pitcairn > to: UUEUGENE , Accessibility group > , Martha Osgood > date: 2007/12/14 19:35:45 > subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 > >> >> >> Accessibility Tip >> >> Ask first: "Would you like help? how may I assist you?" and remember >> that one disabled person does not represent all disabled persons. >> Don't >> give up attempts to make connections. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From mariah at efn.org Fri Dec 14 20:47:09 2007 From: mariah at efn.org (d. maria) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:47:09 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #3 In-Reply-To: <4762E023.3050601@comcast.net> References: <4762E023.3050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: Amen & Blessed be! Oh, that's for the newsletter... GREAT! dm On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Kim, Sorry I missed the 11 am deadline on the three items I'm sending > for the newsletter! Cindy > > > Kudos to the Facilities Council Again! > > Have you noticed that our new pathway to the lower level is now well > lit > for evening meetings and our wheelchair-accessible bathrooms are > becoming more so all the time. The Accessibility Committee, on behalf > of > all of us--disabled, partially able-bodied, and temporarily > able-bodied, > sends special thanks to Ken Ross, Bob Kaeser, George Koris and Ed Zack > for their responsiveness to our suggestions and the extra effort > involved. > > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 15:46:32 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:46:32 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 In-Reply-To: <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> References: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47644B38.1020209@comcast.net> I assume so--they did last month. Cindy mary otten wrote: > that's definitely a good one. are they letting you put two things in? > mary----- source message ----- > from: Lucinda Pitcairn > to: UUEUGENE , Accessibility group , Martha Osgood > date: 2007/12/14 19:35:45 > subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 > > >> Accessibility Tip >> >> Ask first: "Would you like help? how may I assist you?" and remember >> that one disabled person does not represent all disabled persons. Don't >> give up attempts to make connections. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Access mailing list >> Access at uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org >> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access >> > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access > > > From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Sun Dec 16 21:13:10 2007 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:13:10 -0800 Subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2 In-Reply-To: <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> References: <4762DAE7.9040102@comcast.net> <20071214231801.maryotten@comcast.net> Message-ID: I like this Cindy. > From: maryotten at comcast.net> To: access at uueugene.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:18:01 -0800> Subject: Re: [Access] Newsletter Item #2> > that's definitely a good one. are they letting you put two things in? > mary----- source message -----> from: Lucinda Pitcairn > to: UUEUGENE , Accessibility group , Martha Osgood > date: 2007/12/14 19:35:45> subject: [Access] Newsletter Item #2> > >> >> > Accessibility Tip> > > > Ask first: "Would you like help? how may I assist you?" and remember > > that one disabled person does not represent all disabled persons. Don't > > give up attempts to make connections.> > > > _______________________________________________> > Access mailing list> > Access at uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org> > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access> _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071216/29401f66/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 23:18:58 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:18:58 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessible Handrail placement in bathroom Message-ID: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> Many thanks to our Facilities Council, especially George Koris, for adjusting the placement of the handrails and toilet paper holders in the upstairs bathrooms. I tested them last night--just right and they will add to the safety for those of us who use them. Little things can mean a lot! With gratitude, Cindy From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 04:27:36 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:27:36 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessible Handrail placement in bathroom In-Reply-To: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> References: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Have the new door hinges been installed yet? David On Dec 22, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Many thanks to our Facilities Council, especially George Koris, for > adjusting the placement of the handrails and toilet paper holders in > the > upstairs bathrooms. I tested them last night--just right and they will > add to the safety for those of us who use them. Little things can > mean a > lot! > > With gratitude, Cindy > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 04:29:57 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:29:57 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessible Handrail placement in bathroom In-Reply-To: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> References: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9D27ECF1-F86E-4F19-A325-AC389042F611@comcast.net> Cindy, I wonder if there isn't, in this, the germ of a newsletter "tidbit"? David On Dec 22, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Lucinda Pitcairn wrote: > Many thanks to our Facilities Council, especially George Koris, for > adjusting the placement of the handrails and toilet paper holders in > the > upstairs bathrooms. I tested them last night--just right and they will > add to the safety for those of us who use them. Little things can > mean a > lot! > > With gratitude, Cindy > _______________________________________________ > Access mailing list > Access at uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org > http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access From KaeserR at earthlink.net Sun Dec 23 07:54:17 2007 From: KaeserR at earthlink.net (Robert Kaeser) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Access] Accessible Handrail placement in bathroom In-Reply-To: References: <476DEFC2.6060005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hinges should arrive next week. bob K At 02:27 AM 12/23/2007 -0800, you wrote: >Have the new door hinges been installed yet? > >David "Science, for its progress, its understanding and so on, depends so much on truth and clarity. And the question is: Are we living in a society where truth and clarity are an important element of our culture?" --- I. I. Rabi From lucindap at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 17:59:10 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:59:10 -0800 Subject: [Access] next meeting In-Reply-To: <003801c84815$896cc860$6401a8c0@TheMachine> References: <47606EA8.2080904@comcast.net> <001601c8475e$f9d36da0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <20071226050034.maryotten@comcast.net> <003801c84815$896cc860$6401a8c0@TheMachine> Message-ID: <4772EACE.4050204@comcast.net> Me, too--sorry, that is. We'll just have to assign some dreadful task to you in your absence! (Just joking.) Cindy jeannemarie moore wrote: > That's it: I won't be there on the 8th for our access meeting and I'm so so > so sorry. > j-m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mary otten [mailto:maryotten at comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:01 PM > To: lucindap at comcast.net; Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net; > maryotten at earthlink.net; mariah at efn.org; leslie_gilbert at msn.com; > ruthken at pacinfo.com; algaelady at gmail.com > Subject: Re: next meeting > > i don't understand this. you say you double-booked because you forgot we > were not meeting on the 2nd tuesday. but we are meeting on the 2nd tuesday, > rather than the 1st tuesday. so are you saying the willamette meeting is > that tuesday? the 8th? ken will not be there either, as he stated as our > last meeting. > mary > > >> I successfully messed up and double booked myself, forgetting we would >> not be meeting on the second Tuesday of January so, folks, I will not >> be at our meeting because I've been on the willamette Street study >> committee longer and, unless Jon West goes from LILA, I have to. >> >> Could someone else volunteer to do the reading? >> Please accept my apology... but I missed the LAST willamette one >> because I made a mistrake so I have to go to this one... >> >> Blessings, >> j-more. >> >> >> >> ----comOriginal Message----- >> From: Lucinda Pitcairn [mailto:lucindap at comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:29 PM >> To: David Gilmartin; Jeanne-Marie Moore; Mary Otten; cindy pitcairn; do. >> maria; Leslie Gilbert; Ken Ross >> Subject: Draft of Minutes for Approval >> >> Attached is a draft of the minutes for our meeting last week. Please >> let me know your changes, additions, etc. by next Monday. Even if you >> have no changes, please let me know that you've read and approved them. >> Once we have a version approved by all, I'll get it onto the web page. >> >> Cindy >> > > > > From Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net Thu Dec 27 09:09:53 2007 From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net (David Gilmartin) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:09:53 -0800 Subject: [Access] next meeting - reading In-Reply-To: <4772EACE.4050204@comcast.net> References: <47606EA8.2080904@comcast.net> <001601c8475e$f9d36da0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <20071226050034.maryotten@comcast.net> <003801c84815$896cc860$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <4772EACE.4050204@comcast.net> Message-ID: If I'm remembering right, when we were deciding who would do reading for the January meeting, Leslie expressed interest. So, I wonder if you, Leslie, might do this for our meeting on the 8th? David G. From leslie_gilbert at msn.com Thu Dec 27 11:40:03 2007 From: leslie_gilbert at msn.com (leslie gilbert) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:40:03 -0800 Subject: [Access] next meeting - reading In-Reply-To: References: <47606EA8.2080904@comcast.net> <001601c8475e$f9d36da0$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <20071226050034.maryotten@comcast.net> <003801c84815$896cc860$6401a8c0@TheMachine> <4772EACE.4050204@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sure I can find something. > From: Rev.D.Gilmartin at comcast.net> To: access at uueugene.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:09:53 -0800> Subject: Re: [Access] next meeting - reading> > If I'm remembering right, when we were deciding who would do reading > for the January meeting, Leslie expressed interest. So, I wonder if > you, Leslie, might do this for our meeting on the 8th?> > David G.> > _______________________________________________> Access mailing list> Access at uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org> http://www.uueugene.org/mailman/listinfo/access _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.uueugene.org/pipermail/access/attachments/20071227/e0d4edb9/attachment.html From lucindap at comcast.net Fri Dec 28 13:19:07 2007 From: lucindap at comcast.net (Lucinda Pitcairn) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:19:07 -0800 Subject: [Access] December meeting minutes Message-ID: <47754C2B.1090702@comcast.net> The minutes of our December Accessibility Committee meeting are now posted on our website at http//:www.uueugene.org/Access/Minutes.html. Cindy